Unpopular Opinion: Jury Duty can be used to take a stand for Free Speech.

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  1. CCitizen

    CCitizen Well-Known Member

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    In my opinion, they should not treat The Enemy as a fellow citizen. When The Enemy is on trial on any charge, the duty is to convict.
     
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    There is nothing illegal about jury nullification.
     
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    CCitizen Well-Known Member

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    Thank you. Hopefully some people will agree with my idea.
     
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    Are you advocating applying the first amendment to the private sector? So you would be able to say whatever you wanted about your employers, co-workers and the company you work for publicly and it would be protected by free speech? That would certainly spice up the workplace.
     
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    I'm not offended, just confused. In my experiences on juries, we were told to decide the guilt or innocence based on the evidence given. I've heard of the concept of Jury Nullification, and thought it was linked to the specific law the person is accused of breaking.
     
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    So your for throwing justice out the window. Got it.
     
  7. CCitizen

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    It's more complicated. As I have said
     
  8. CCitizen

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    I know my ideas are unpopular.

    In my opinion, Jury Nullification can be used to differentiate between The Enemy and fellow citizen.
     
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    This is where you're wrong. You have no idea what I support, but you're suggesting that if you are a defendant and I sit on the jury, I should either vote to acquit if I agree with your politics, or vote to convict if I disagree. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but so far, it seems you want to turn our system of justice into a political freak show.
     
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    ChiCowboy Well-Known Member

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    Okay, that's just plain nutty.
     
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    Exactly. It's a method for juries to voice disapproval of a law. If the prosecution was seeking prison time for someone who sold cigarettes or a joint, for example.
     
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    That's not the purpose of a trial. Indeed, you can voice your opinion on the "enemy" in your front yard. Freedom of speech.
     
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    I have no problems with the first part of your statements. I have conducted 100s of jobs interviews in the past and a persons political affiliation has never entered the decisions process. Occasionally I will see resumes with college political clubs listed in the extra-curricular activities section but I view any participation in extra-curricular clubs as good thing regardless of political affiliation.

    I disagree with the idea that employers should not be able to make decisions based on any off-duty activity as long as it is legal. What you are asking is the employer to keep an employee even if they have a huge negative impact on the company. Lets say you own a small restaurant. You hire a person to manage the restaurant and greet guest. Let say that person is head of a local white supremacist and starts to hold active public rallies. Patrons stop coming to your restaurant and you face bankruptcy. Should you be able to fire that manager or should he allowed to keep his job until the restaurant shuts down?
     
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    Every Law has 1001 nuances. Of course if they are White Supremacist or if they do something extremely rude off-duty then they should be fired.

    Firing people for Politically Incorrect speech which contains no Hate Speech should be much more difficult. Several states prohibit retaliation for most political off-work activities.
     
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    We can agree to disagree. I know that 100% of those who support deplatforming and Cancel Culture will disagree with me.

    And, sadly, over 50% of those who oppose deplatforming and Cancel Culture will disagree with me.

    Yet Jury Nullification is not prosecutable.
     
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    In other words the Opie advocates finding people guilty or not guilty based on their political opinions, and not on evidence.
     
  17. CCitizen

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    If they actively work to take away my Free Speech, to deplatform me, to blacklist me, then I am not sure they are entitled to fairness.

    In any case I have not been able to find a single case of a person being prosecuted for Jury Nullification in USA.
     
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    What if that politically incorrect speech negatively impacts the business? What if it cost them business? What if it makes others workers uncomfortable creating a toxic workplace?
     
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    If it is not Hate Speech or vulgarity, I do not see how it can.
     
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    If it doesn't negatively impact the business and workplace I would agree with you.
     
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    I fail to see any point in your OP. Sounds like you want a banana republic judicial system. Bad idea, one that would not stand up to legal scrutiny. You may not be prosecuted, but you will most certainly be removed, and your future as a juror would be over.
     
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    I just do not see how speech other then vulgarity or Hate Speech can negatively affect a business.
     
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    Not your call. It's up to the business to decide this.
     
  24. CCitizen

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    I hope the idea of using Jury Duty against Cancel Culture gains popularity at least among strong opponents of Cancel Culture. No one has to disclose their intentions when selected for jury duty.
     
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    Some states do forbid businesses to fire people for most of legal off-duty activity.
     

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