US MILITARY LAUNCHES COORDINATED STRIKES AGAINST AMERICAN TV HOST

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  1. kriman

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    Standing up for the troops does not include backing them up when they are wrong. If you agree with them, you back them up. If you do not agree with them, then you take care of it privately.
     
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    Nah! I'm here to ridicule idiots like Carlson. It's what George Soros and Bill Gates pay me to do (or so I've been told). What you propose would put me out of a job!
     
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    it also mentions pregnant women cannot serve in a forward infantry unit
     
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    Troops make mistakes, if they know you will throw them under the bus because they made a mistake then you are not a leader, just a boss.

    A true leader has his troops backs even if they make a mistake, as they are only humans and are not perfect. My troops knew if they messed up I would be there for them, going to bat for them. But then again I was a leader of Marines, not a boss.

    When I picked up Sergeant my Sergeant Major took me aside and told me the most basic principle of leadership...when things go good the troops get to take the credit not their leader, when things go bad the blame falls on the leader.

    That is the price of leadership.

    But as I said, most people are bosses and not leaders.
     
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    You can always get a job as a camp guard.
     
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    Absolutely! Anybody who believes that "misogyny" applies to any criticism of any policy in the military most definitely doesn't know the meaning of the term. But why would you even think it possible that somebody would apply the term that way? Are you thinking about some personal experience of your own?
     
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    You mean you expect them to not have a double standard? HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
    :roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    The concern is having women in battle. I don't think it is bigotry. I think it is an assessment of how women should serve in the military.
     
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    You are trying to generalize too much. If you screw up, your commander should not be defending your actions. He takes care of that between the two of you.

    If you are right, then your commander should back you all the way.
     
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    That's not what Tucker Carlson said. And, in any case, it should be up to them if they want to exercise their right to bear arms to defend the security of a free state. Besides what difference does it make if it's a woman or a man piloting a jet fighter?

    But that's not the issue. The issue is Carlson ridiculing accommodations made for women. That is clearly misogyny.
     
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    Fly boys tend to come with egos. But the really good ones figure out early that their flight crews should be listened to and treated with respect.
     
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    As I said, there are many bosses and few leaders in the world today. Take heart in knowing you are in the majority.

    When one of my Marines messed up I was the wall between them and the SgtMaj or the OIC. I stood up for them as a true leader should. Then as you state, when it was just them and I we worked out the the consequences of their actions.
     
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    Let me make sure I understand what you are saying.

    One of your men screws up.

    For instance, he wrecks one of units vehicles because of carelessness. You go in and tell the commander what a great job he did wrecking that vehicle. After all, everyone makes mistakes.
     
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    By the way. One thing I do not do is insult people to make my point. That is the characteristic of a true leader.
     
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    You still won't answer the question I asked first will you?
     
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    Still waiting for you to promise that Tucker said that women do not make good pilots because they need custom flight suits for pregnancy in that link. You have not promised me yet that statement is there.
     
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    How is it “political” to respond to Carlson’s ridiculous claim our military, which supposedly Carlson supports, “is more focused on woke adventurism than winning wars.”? It is beyond absurd to even think our military isn’t interested in winning any wars we are engaged in.
    I wonder why Carlson didn’t make a big deal of these flight suits when the US Air Force announced the policy in 2019 and tested the suits in 2020??? Hmmmm
     
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    Of course not, that is not what a leader does. I go in and tell the commander he is a good Marine that made a mistake and I will make sure that he is properly motivated to ensure it does not happen again. If you have the correct reputation with the commander then he will allow you to handle it as you see fit.

    I do not hang him out to dry and tell the commander "he is all yours".

    I am really not sure why this is all that confusing.

    I have not insulted anyone, just stated the facts. It is nothing for you to be ashamed of.

    Not everyone in charge is a leader. Even in the Marines where leadership is pounded into from the time you pin on E3, there are those that will just never get what it means to be a leader.
     
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    And neither than did I.

    You repeatedly said I was not a leader. It was a totally unnecessary comment which added nothing to the conversation. My person abilities have absolutely nothing to do with the discussion.
     
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    The discussion is about leaders.
     
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    And yet you said this....Standing up for the troops does not include backing them up when they are wrong

    What I described was backing them even when they were wrong...something you said you did not do
     
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    No. The discussion is about whether the military should have attacked Carlson.
    I am not sure what you mean by backing them up, but in my case, it does not include agreeing with them when they are clearly wrong.

    As a unit commander, I was not in the business of interceding between the offender and someone higher up. It was either take action or not take action.
     
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    It is about supporting them, even if they made a mistake or even if you do not agree with them. They need to know you have their back.

    I am sorry to hear that.
     
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    What the hell are you talking about? I am supposed to drag them over to someone of higher rank so I can intercede?
    It appears that you are looking for something to complain about. You have zero knowledge about my relations with the people who worked for me.

    This thread is about military individuals publicly attacking Carlson. It is not about whatever the hell you are talking about. Personally, I thought the military should keep their mouth shut because it drags them into political controversy and taking sides.

    By the way, I have noticed after the initial comments on the 11th and 12th of March, the military has became silent on Carlson. I suspect that they were told by their superiors that they should just shut up for the reasons which I just stated.
     
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    Trump just keeps on giving.
     

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