US Military Movements In The Middle East

I've wondered about this question for a while and today I was browsing a thread that reintroduced the concept to me.

Basically...I was wondering about why the US is in the Middle East. At first you want to think on the reasons given, but a little looking around shows you what many have forgotten; that many reasons were given over a 20 year times period for various issues. That these reasons have often changed for the same issue more than once, and that the only thing that has remained the same was an increasing military structure present in the are. That means during times of perceived deployment and withdrawal of troops which- especially today- becomes augmented with private security firms that generally negate the concept of a withdrawing American presence.

I then realized that you can come up with some startling simple conclusions based on the contradiction of general military movements and the political reasons that were said to go along with them. If each were lines on a graph, the political reasoning would be erratic, the troop movement would ebb and flow as the situation dictates, but the militaristic presence remains fairly consistent.

I figured this thread would be a good place to start a kind of site-wide project where each person can post factual data detailing the US military movement in the region and from the reports and the cross-interrogation of them, we can come up with our sound idea about what is going on there.

This is kinda my way of promoting information over speculation. Of arriving at a conclusion based on investigation and not regurgitation of the facts. If anyone wants to join- no matter what your sentiment- feel free. I just ask you don't get nasty with other people and please use factual data when presenting your parts. (Opinion articles and unaccountable blogs don't count)

 

You think large amount of Oil in the region is it?

 

No, I don't think that's the sole reason, but it's one of he reasons. There and further north in the Caspian Sea.

If that was sarcasm, point taken, I guess, lol. I guess it is a common fact that we are not there for democracy.

 

Wasn't being sarcastic and actually we have maybe one other reason which is our support for Israel. But overwhelmingly our interest is because of the oil. If it was just sand we could care less.

 

Well, not really just Israel, but the entire region. Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon...I would have wanted to include North Africa two, but that would have made twice the amount to cover.

I was actually thinking that the focus on the US wasn't necessarily the oil. That wasn't the primary concern, but they are trying to both stabilize their own currency while using the oil to keep the rest of the world in line with the dollar. I mean, there are a lot of nations that are crawling out of third-world status, and nations we previously thought of as "behind us" that have proven to be not only compatible, but, comically, the ones in control of our debt. You can't target all of them, so you take what each one commonly needs. Oil. Through oil, the US maintains whats most important- economic control.

If the dollar falls, America's rank as number one will certainly, definitely fall with it.

Ironically, I found it funny. America is capitalist, which promotes the growth of small businesses, but when the growth of small nations that threaten big nations (big business) they pull out the knives.

 

The Saudi's of those are really the only ally like Israel. Israel we have ties to due to Jewish population in US. But the Saudi's ONLY tie is they have a huge amount of oil. Oil is the answer lol. And yes oil is very important to us, important enough to go to war over.

 

Yeah, I think so. A brief overlook, and it seems like places like Afghanistan and Pakistan are virtually occupied territory by the United States. I've known of the Saudi relation, but I wonder how deep it goes. I would also die to know the real circumstances of our alliance with them, but that will hardly ever be accessible information.

 

I'v decided, since I have the time and the subject is increasingly interesting to me, to go on ahead and contribute to the thread myself. I like investigating things like this...

I've decided to start with Iraq, and, really, the entire idea started when I looked at this picture...



These are the major bases in Iraq, and do not list the sub-bases or Joint bases in the country, or various other unofficial outposts occupied by the American military. I'm not sure how many American's know this, but outside of your country, the US is called the Empire of Bases, and for good reason. We have almost 1,000 bases worldwide.

1,000.

For the purposes of this thread, I'm going to stick to the ones in the middle east. To be relevant, I will begin with a look into Iran, which will, unfortunately, drag me into Israel and all the hostile controversy surrounding that little trophy there. s it stands, of course, there are no military bases in Iran. However, the US has surrounded Iran with military bases in other countries around it.

Here's a simplified version...



Here's a more detailed version...



At the moment, I can offer no facts about what I see. I can only look and think as logically as I can. How many foreign bases are in the United States? None. Because there's no (*)(*)(*)(*) way anyone puts guns we don't command on our soil. It's a breech of sovereignty. Imagine if you saw in the news tomorrow that England was building a base on the East Coast, or France or Germany was building a base there.

But look at how many bases are in these ME countries. One might wonder what kind of sovereign nation allows another nation to have so many bases in their own country? To allow another country to maneuver armed men in and out and to pursue war with any other country from within its borders? My thought is that these countries are not countries, but satellite governments of the United States.

Now that may seem like obvious information, but it is the implication that I am trying to spell out here. Those nations are virtually owned by the United States. It doesn't seem likely they have the room to deny the US any terms when the US has an army already within their borders also. These are colonies. The American's likely have de facto control there. From the view point of Iran, it is surrounded by the US, and threatened by Israel.

Also, those bases surrounding Iran were not likely deliberately set up with the purpose of targeting Iran, but it is more than likely that is their intent now.

More as I dig for facts...

 

That would explain the massive US military presence in Zimbabwe.
All the boxes tick.

Terrible government
Mass killing
No democracy
say nasty things about the US

Large oil reserves

The US should have invaded years ago to grab that massive oil production.

 

We buy oil.. we are customers.. Just like we buy oil from Canada.

China buys oil from Saudi Arabia and Angola.

 

In reality there are no US troops in Israel!
There is a joint army and Navy training with Israelis that would end in a few days.
Israel can take care of its own... I suspect that the US has chosen Israel to train with denotes it high capability and each army stands to grain from this.

 

http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2012/01/us-troops-deploying-to-israel.html

I'm taking a guess here..

Israel will attack Iran and Iran's response will be called an attack on US troops in Israel, thus America will enter the war as the injured party.
That or the US is there in case of a combined Arabic countries attack on Israel after such a strike.

Once again. Americans will fight and die for Israel and the US arms industry's greed.

 

News coming out of Libya is the US backed rebels are using chemical weapons in Bani Walid and they are saying no International reporters are reporting it.
The Libyans are documenting each case.

Bani Walid and Sirte were the last to fall to the rebels and are the people who supported Gaddafis peaceful stable properous Libya instead of the collapsed failed state it is today.

 

IF the occupiers of Palestine attack Iran then we have WW3 and Suez will close, the oil fields in the Gulf will go up in smoke in the first few days and the religious fanatical lunatics will get their so called rapture finally!

 

Many people in Bani Walid belong to the powerful Warfala tribe, which was mostly loyal to Gaddafi.

The town and its now-displaced inhabitants, long isolated from the rest of Libya, fear retribution and wonder what fate awaits them in the post-Gaddafi era.

A disquieting example is offered by Sirte, whose residents feel neglected by Libya’s new rulers, saying they are paying the price for being the last bastion of Gaddafi, who was killed there on October 20, 2011. His death has yet to be investigated.

Days later, Sirte residents were blaming vindictive rebels for some of the destruction visited on their city.

While the government has set up committees to tackle security, services and the return of refugees to Bani Walid, militia commanders say they will stay to keep the town “secure”.

http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topi...=539936&version=1&template_id=37&parent_id=17

With rumors and chaos, how can you be sure who is doing what? How do you know they are all foreign fighters?

 

This kind of thing is, unfortunately, common. The US has backed rebels in many countries in the Middle East, South America, Central America, and Africa. Most of them go unreported because most of them turn out to be brutal dictators (Saddam Hussein, Ghaddafi) that in some way extend or cooperate with American influence in the area. I have long been suspicious of the so-called Libyan rebels and how they somehow needed to fight there way through Libya from all the way across the country if it was a "popular movement". I don't think it was popular at all, and I think this rebellion is an infliction rather than a liberation on the people.

I'm afraid not. Israel has no possible way of amassing the amount of resources capable of financing it's modern, high-tech military, it's nuclear armament, or it's various engineering projects. Look at the size of that country. From where and from what would all this money be coming from. They have virtually nothing of hard value to anyone. This nation is not even a nation. It is a fledgling surviving in the shadow of titans such as the United States.

 

Dream on... please do not use sleeping pills especially A----n you can wake up in the middle of the night an drive the car in your pijamas... lol

 

Adding to the thread I've started but sort of out of context, I begin with this fact. A plan was presented to the United States in 2003- to Bush Jr.- by the actual
ruler of Iran, the Ayatollah, in an effort to bridge the gap and formulate peace.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/documents/us_iran_1roadmap.pdf

To paraphrase, Iran agreed that if the US...

1. Remove America from the "Axis of Evil"
2. Promise not to attack Iran
3. Lift economic sanctions
4. Allow Europe to invest in Iran

that Iran would agree to...

1. Full nuclear inspections
2. Withdraw support for Hamas and Hezbollah
3. Normalize relations with Israel if Israel removed troops from occupied territories

The United States/President Bush refused. The United States general population was not made aware of the terms proposed, or the refusal of the terms.

For those who don't know, the President of Iran is not the real power, but more like a Chief Justice. The Ayatollah is the Supreme Power in Iran. The Ayatollah has made numerous gestures of negotiation and peace, repeating his non commitment to any type of war with any state, but attention was only given to the Iranian president and his provocative remarks.

Media manipulation, omission, and alteration leads to present day misinterpretation and international miss-education.

 

You can also chew on this...

Iran was a democracy up until 1953. Then the US overthrew the democracy and installed a US-friendly dictator, the Shah, into power.

This overthrow of democracies was repeated both in the Middle east and in South and Central America numerous times- each time being replaced by a very brutal, US-friendly regime.

Along with this, consider the virtue of US intentions in both that area and Nicaragua following the Iran-Contra scandal and the admitted outfitting of Iraq with at least 2 billion dollars in aid, CIA resources and satellite feeds- playing both sides of the 8 year Iran-Iraq war.

Also consider that the US once controlled Iranian oil till the Iranian revolution nationalized it and kicked them out in 1979. Ever since then, even though other European powers recognized and traded with Iran, the US remained opposed and distant. The original company that controlled that oil is known as BP (British Petroleum) today.

These are all facts, and I will continue to post as I find them or wait and present them in a chronological order.

 

because Libyans are telling us
because the news reporters are interviewing them in Libya
because they are being arrested and held and have foreign id's and passports
because that's what they do, they travel around looking for the next place to install Wahabi ideology

 

I've been a little busy and the recent hurricane made life a pain in the ass for a week, but I have almost finished wrapping up a history of Palestine from the ancient times until now and wanted it to be pretty clear and factual so I had to fact-check a bunch of things (as best as I could) while also scrubbing away any biased information that was not strictly fact. I'll post it when I can.

 

Actually, it may be a while longer. The fact is that a fair bit of fairy interesting information popped up regarding the Jewish relationship to the Ottoman Empire and, specifically, the Ottoman King at the time of 1900, more or less. It will take a bit more research as it certainty is not history commonly known.

 

The Saudis are committed to keeping supply and the ppb steady because their economy is tied to the US dollar. There are 40,000 Americans living and working in KSA and the relations are generally excellent. We have been there so long they understand us. US companies do a great deal of business in Arabia..

Relations have been friendly since I was a girl 6 decades ago.

 

UDC, whether or not you accept this reality or not is not the point, My stating this is to give reason why all of the European oriented nations have tread into the East to take turns occupying that which is not to be inhabited by mischief-makers. Of course there are the bringers of Hell in the East without the involvement of aforementioned nations, they are being taken care of as I type this.
Why do they attempt occupation? It is very simple, to extend a time that has run out of calendar space. Yes, this will be a drawn out battle for the minds and space of Man (Women and Children included). Just pay close attention as to what takes place domestically and internationally. The time of the Rule of the Few over the Many is over and those whom you and others may have become accustomed to in the seat of power, is over.

 

I seriously doubt that. The 'battle' between the rule of the few over the many has been one waged since ancient times. Popular revolutions have happened again and again and again. The only real thing that changes is the way the people are ruled. The evolution of government has learned how to, for the most part, take that unstable volatility out of people that leads to the overthrow of government. Two very big ones are

1. Make them believe they are free, or give them freedoms in their bondage.

2. Occupy their mind and their aggression with the troubles of other nations and the world around them.

Aside from that, whenever a revolution does occur, they simply place new rulers above them. It is only a matter of time before that government- whatever it is- becomes corrupt and tyrannical. It is inevitable.

As for the actions of he US, well...while I disagree with the direction of my government, I don't root for its downfall. Change, yes, but not destruction. The US is number one. That position of power creates a need to maintain power that is probably the reason for all these things. The smart thing might be to just settle back to second or third place. But proud people never consider that.

I think the problem is definitely the economy. The US economy is rocky. Yes, it can come back, but it is now rocky in a time where other economies are rising. Also, nations that are allies are not "friends". Even though being allies, the US has undercut it's own to remain on top and people get tired of the same old hegemony and the leverage the US employs with the dollar. They are looking for a change of currency. The EU is the most famous one that attempted this. Africa was going to attempt it- a pan-Arabic state currency that would be backed by gold and would draw the faith of the world economy to it vs the US dollar, which is not backed by anything. Among its most prolific supporters was Ghaddafi. Where is he these days?

Even so, China, India, and nations like them may not seem like much right now, but America did not seem like much either when it was young. Just a hick nation with a lot of economic potential other nations saw as their own.

I would actually like to see the US rise by doing something quite stunning. Backing down. We have a vast military presence with over 1000 functioning bases in the world. I don't know if it is that simple, but I think if we just focus our military might on simply protecting American interests versus projecting American interests, we will get farther. We cut military costs while strengthening diplomatic and economic flexibility by once again becoming a neutral nation with no stake in political affairs beyond economic outcomes. That's my forefront thought right now. The US is doing bad but it's only going to get worst if we keep our attention overseas.