US Muslims: this is worse than after 9/11

And I'm with you on that.

 

A message from the President

http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/09/13/zelizer.bush.muslims/index.html

"Those who feel like they can intimidate our fellow citizens to take out their anger don't represent the best of America; they represent the worst of humankind, and they should be ashamed of that kind of behavior,"

 

Yeah when you include the worst behaviors of western nations we don't look so good do we. Islamic terrorists can only stand back in awe of the evil that was committed by Germany.

 

Subtle point well made, Doug.

 

Those who immigrate here, both past and present, the adults tend to remain or retain the habits of the old country. It is the those born here, children of these immigrants, the second generations that assimilated into the melting pot. Most of the time these second generation immigrants adopted and adored our ideals, customs, way of life. But at times they also brought with them a new idea or custom which we adopted from them. The melting post was ever changing.

This hyphenization in my opinion kind of discourages that melting post because it stresses differences, in encourages the second and third generations not to adopt and adapt and join the melting pot. But to remain apart spurning the ideals that made American great and holding dearly to the ideals of the old country. Retaining their ways and not American ones. Hence division over unity.

 

Indeed; and as some of us view the entirety of Islam as evil and depraved so do ISIS of the West if we dare to preach the moral high ground given ample precedent of our past and present activities. Why would they not consider us bare-faced hypocrites? I'm not an adherent of any faith but when was 'judge not lest ye be judged' any more pertinent than today?

 

We do dismiss them and most of them do not identify their country, so they can pretend to be Americans, but little things give them away.

 

After years of liberal complaints about the US supporting dictatorships, the dialog certainly has changed and now it is muddled. That dialog is still around but much weaker. Bush took out Saddam which would appear to be a liberal idea, Hillary took out Gaddafi, now Obama wants to take Assad. Yet, the liberal dialog is now about the mistake of taking out dictators.

 

Majority of communists had nothing to do with communist party activity, yet this did not prevent U.S. government to suspect anyone who belonged to that party. That is exactly why Communism has been overthrown and does not have that much power that it used to have.

 

Terrorism... to inflict fear... is most deffo part of the ultra right wing American christian repertoire.
The OP says I'm right.
/facepalm

 

Yes they do and imitate it but they have choices other than terrorism-that is the point.

 

Interpol is compromised and ineffective. Interpol to be blunt is a computer with information, period. The information placed in it is antiquated, compromised and riddled with false information and disinformation

Interpol has been polluted by hackers and espionage.

Interpol has been crippled if not fatally paralyzed in the war to contain drug syndicates, sex crimes, human smuggling.

Its a great idea in theory but in reality it breaks down because of infiltration from espionage form competing nations and infiltration by organized crime syndicates who make more money then most nations in the UN.

Intelligence? Ironically intelligence is rarely intelligent.

The only remaining uncompromised intelligence network is Hackers Anonymous, run by idealists who never wanted to be political or engage in war. Ironically they find the world dumped at their feet with the collapse of intelligence and there is a limit to what we can ask of them given they are a loose network of vigilantes who want nothing to do with any government.

Mainstream nations, mainstream police and intelligence agencies have allowed themselves to be compromised and ironically even if Hackers Anonymous provides them info, there is no guarantee it can be acted on properly. The person receiving it could be a terrorist, or have another agenda.

The world's future rests in the hands of apolitical people thrust in the limelight. What they choose to do with their information in days to come no one will know but I suspect they learned long ago never to assume or rely on anything.

 

Exactly.....the left wing/ progressives/democrats constantly harp on and on about the KKK like it still engages in violence....in fact blacks kill more blacks in chicago in one year than the kkk killed in it's entire history>>>>>>>>>>>>https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...35d3ZqSADOTNFLW9Q&sig2=lo1fUbPlRZpVwrTHX4JM7A


http://israelect.com/ChurchOfTrueIsrael/race-war.html


https://archive.org/details/Zebra-Clark-Howard

http://sfist.com/2013/03/27/5_interesting_facts_about_the_zebra.php

 

So we should make sure to completely eschew any kind of aid or sympathy for the VICTIMS of this terror, that is ,the refugees, and meanwhile give all kinds of aid and support to our staunchest allies and best friends in the area, the ones who are spreading the philosophy, the Sauds.

 

Military alliances make for strange bedfellows........the syrian victims of war should be helped............by other arab nations....we should promote that and forget about bringing them over here....we do not need any muslims in America....their beliefs and culture are so alien as to make them undesirable and a potential threat....we have more than enough problems already dealing with our current minorities.

 

Its stuff like this that worries me
[video=youtube;bV710c1dgpU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV710c1dgpU[/video]

 

Yes. If you are part of a group then you accept some responsibility for your fellow group members. If you don't like what you brethren are doing then you have an obligation to oppose it, or leave the group. Sitting silent and letting things happen means you give tacit approval to those things.

 

Define 'group'. If Snakestretcher is guilty of IRA crimes because he's Catholic why aren't you also responsible because you're a Christian, or a westerner, or a Caucasian. Aren't you drawing the line a bit arbitrarily?

Are you responsible for all war crimes the US has committed (such as Mai Lai)? Are you responsible for every bombing mess up that results in innocent loss of life because you're American? Are you responsible for every crime committed by right wingers (Oklahoma Federal Building) because you're silent. You are guilty of every abortion clinic bombing, every mass shooting by a right winger?

 

If hillary were watching this how would she react?

 

I'm not that religious but I've been listening to Christmas carols too. The Little Drummer Boy played with bag pipes in the background particularly pretty.

For you snakestretcher:
[video=youtube;ZabZYPYNsFg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZabZYPYNsFg&list=PL39806860AE8E420F&index=3[/video]

 

The muslims have huge amounts of territory.....several nation states ruled by muslims and in Iran of course a muslim theocratic state. So why do they want to come over here? Do you see any Americans or Europeans that desire to immigrate to any muslim country at any where approaching the scale of them coming over here and desiring to come over here?

We are not attempting to force Christianity on them....at least by military means. Islam is long known for it's reputation of converting by the sword.

People vote by their feet...if muslims desire to forsake their native muslim nations and come to a predominantly Christian Nation....what does that say about Islam?

Now at one time in it's early history America was dominated and ruled by a foreign power....did Americans decide to immigrate to Mexico or any other places to escape the oppressor? Of course not...Americans formed a revolution and drove out the oppressive power. So all these muslim immigrants of a military age.....would they be willing to fight the oppressor...assad or whoever if we arm and train them? Would they be willing to say.....fight the oppressor at the behest of the U.S. if we agree to take them in after 2 or 3 yrs. of military service for America?

My final question: Obama is obviously sympathetic with muslim immigrants.....why does he ignore the long suffering Christian Arabs....why will he not let them come here.....why does he not offer them the same sympathy he offers the muslim people who want to and are coming here at the behest of obama?

 

What it comes down to is that communism and islam are threats to National Security.....now obama says he is not afraid of them....why does he have such a huge detail of secret service agents to protect him? I mean if he has no fear....perhaps he should dismiss them and save the taxpayers a lot of money....or does he think he needs them to protect him from the KKK or from returning American Servicmen from overseas who fought for America and risked their lives.....yet to be accused by Federal Authorities of being a threat to our National Security. We (fed gov.)do not trust our military who have fought for us...yet they ask the American People to trust so called syrian refugees who they know nothing about...have no records on the vast majority of them....have no clue really where they come from or what they have done?

Our perspectives are skewered at the highest level....and it drifts down to the masses....as you see the evidence on this board....people so coinfused you would thing they had fallen down a rabbit hole and munched on some lsd tablets.

American were once a people that were very pragmatic and had a lot of common sense.....but this nation has been dumbed down, coinfused and led astray.

 

Yeah well, life isn't all that fair. This is a problem for muslims, and that's not going to change until muslims can get their act together and somehow change from being seen as a violent and evil people.

You could say the same thing about any group that has a particular image. Complaining about that image won't change that image. Muslims will just have to deal with the fact that every time some idiot with an AK and a hand grenade screaming 'allah akhbar' starts killing a bunch of people, they are going to be lumped in with that idiot.

It's not really my problem because I'm not a muslim dude. It's theirs, and the only question is what are they going to do about it. Get up in front of a mosque and say "It ain't me!?

Not good enough, Akhbar. You'll have to actually start policing those guys giving you and your religion a bad reputation.

 

The IRA was an organization with a long track record of violence. If a person is a Catholic in Ireland in the 1970's, then he is going to be assumed to be sympathetic to the IRA unless he does something to change that assumption. He knows the bombings are occurring and will continue to occur, but does nothing, by remaining silent he gives tacit approval to the bombings and shares in the blame.

Unlike the IRA example, the Oklahoma bombing was a single event, there was no trend or pattern, it is not a recurring action and there is no organization behind it. It was also soundly renounced by all.

Compare those 2 situations to US muslims. They know their muslim brethren are raping, beheading, torturing, crucifying, and burning people by the 100's of thousands. They know those atrocities are ingrained in their religion, they have been occurring constantly since mohammad formed his army in Medina and started his now 1400 year long religious war, and will continue to be committed. They know the US is a major target of their violent brethren. Yet they are silent at best, or actively but quietly supporting their violent brethren at worst. US muslims share in the guilt of the atrocities in Syria, the kidnapping and rape of girls by Boco Haram, and all the other crimes against humanity.

 

I said the same thing except my sympathy was for gay people when Al Sharpton ran for president. Referring to gay men and women as "homos" is not a cool thing to say.

A racist and homophobic left wing bigot. Thank god rational Americans didn't nominate him!!!

http://www.infowars.com/the-hilarious-racism-of-al-sharpton/