US temperatures nothing unusual

it's summer ad there is a good reson for the old saying 'hotter than the 4th of July" however as usual the MSM and the alarmists want you to thing ohmygawd this is terrible, never seen anything like this


but the truth is, yes we have




. From Steve Goddards blog

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/07/08/heatwaves-were-much-worse-through-most-of-us-history/

source for the chart data for those who want to check it's accuracy

http://cdiac.ornl.gov/ftp/ushcn_daily/

 

Careful JD.....I think I might see a hockey stick there.......

 

I am sure that by switching data sets where necessary and liberal homogenization of the temperatures we could make one LOL

 

Nah Mannian analysis. Truncate the sample to about 1910 then correlate on temperature. That will invert the series and give you a hockey stick.

 

Looks like the dust bowl years were much worse. Imagine all the BAZILLION tons of CO2 humans have exhaled since then, and we can't even get as many record highs? Something seems...wrong...with that..?

 

You, the resident statistics expert are not going to explain why Goddard's reasoning is incorrect? Makes me think the agenda is more important to you than the science.

Exposes your misunderstanding of the problem. The problem is not he CO[SUB]2[/SUB] being continually exchanged between atmosphere, plant and animal life, soil, etc. The problem is the buried carbon being removed and added to the carbon cycle. Breathing is part of the carbon cycle and therefore not a problem.

 

Adding CO2 to air of greenhouses has been always good, as any food grower, gardener knows. This is the only real observable and proven effect of adding CO2 to the air. Greenhouse effect ( back force radiation) has never been observed or proven by a repeatable experiment. It is another fantasy like evolution, black holes, dark matter, or any other beliefs made up by scientists incapable of producing anything useful.

 

This will be my only reply to you as I am out of food.

 

Insults are expected when scientists meet objections of deniers. raection to the basic observed reality is not expected from scientists.

 

While you can argue that record highs will be higher in the 1930s as more weather stations go on line Goddard makes no such contrary argument in his posts. So your argument would be a strawman. From the data it is clear that for almost the last half century the number of new record highs is usually in the range of 2000-4000 per year. So there is nothing anomalous about the number of record highs this year. Which is to be expected as the US heat wave is a weather event confined almost solely to the united states with a known meteorological cause unrelated to AGW that being the tail end of an ENSO cycle causing a blocking even on the east coast of the united states.

What you don't want to admit is that when your side comes out with the claim of OVER 1000 NEW RECORD HIGHS that you are the ones lying because you are omitting that such a number is perfectly normal. Your intentional over the top delivery of the statistic is designed to create a false impression in the mind of the reader who doesn't know any better that over 1000 is extremely high because they don't know any better and if it wasn't extremity high why would you be mentioning it. After all how many people off the top of their head know what is the normal range. Lying by omission is lying none the less. Only children and politicians refuse to recognize that lying by omission is still lying so the question remains which one are you.

 

The thread title.

US temperatures nothing unusual

Nothing unusual. Let's examine that statement.

Now this has been the hottest year since we started recording the data, in 1895. Now as the hottest, is that not in itself unusual by the very definition of the word?

 

let's be faithful Obama worshiper and twists reality intoi a pretzel.

You did not start T recording and you have no clue about such a process.

Processes and factors of Records of 1895 are different from records of Processes and factors of Records 2012. It is like unemloyment rate of 8.2 % at Obama is totally different from the rate in Bush's era. In reality it is warse than 10.2% in at the start of Obama era. Obama worshipers compare apples to oranges.

There has always been a record hot and a record cold year in the recorded history of the US. There is nothing unusal in having a record year. The last 2 winters were unusually cold and snowy here and in the US and around the globe - over 300 deaths only in europe unprepared for such a cold thanks to predictions of scientists. Now I am enjoying mildly hot weather while it lasts nobody knows what will happen the next month and what record the next year is going to break if any. didn't check on Europe and Russia which is 1/6 of the land. It seems the spring was unusually cold and crop was delayed over there.

 

Not if your perspective encompasses geologic time, rather than the minuscule part humans invented and have been using thermometers.

 

Not if your perspective encompasses geologic time, rather than the minuscule part humans invented and have been using thermometers.

 

Congratulations.

If you had read the post of mine you quoted, you woudl have clearly seen I gave the timeline I was speaking of.

 

Don't attempt to lamely insult me.

If this is not the hottest year since 1895 then provide a shred of evidence for it.

 

These are Obama supporters who make the claim that it is.You posted no records which would back up your claim. Typical hypocracy of Obama supporters.

I just pointed that they have no comparable records to back up their claim. I did not make the claim that it is not hottest. You are twsiting reality again.

You just backed away from supporting your examination of OP. the OP is correct. You twisted the reality.

How did I insult you? Pointing that Obama supporters always compare apples to oranges is the fact I explained and illustrated.

 

There is also the absolute stupidity of talking about the number of record highs in the first place.

The number of record highs is largely determined by where the heat wave occurs. If it occurs on the east coast where there are more cities and towns with official records then there will be more record highs than if there is a geographically larger and more intense heat wave on the west coast and/or mid west where there are fewer official records.

 

But a record is still a record....meaning it hasn't been that warm since records were kept.

If I run a mile and someone beats that... it is a record....if someone beats him it is a record...if someone beats that new record... it is a record.

My point being....you have to keep running faster to set records....it has to get warmer to keep setting records.

 

Actually it's not http://www.appinsys.com/globalwarming/GW_Part2_GlobalTempMeasure.htm From the link "The warmest year globally was 1998 – since then there has been no warming."

 

hehehe...."Figures don't Lie, but Liars Figure....." I don't know the source (I am NOT implying the poster is a liar...only that "experts" can deceive with figures.)

Speaking as someone who's job is mostly data analysis and justifications. with some passing understanding of statistics I believe I can convince the majority of voters of just about anything given some data and knowledge of my audience. The debate over whether the rich pay their "fair share" of taxes is a great example. The left says they do not, because they pay a lower % of their income compared to the middle class. The right says they do because they pay the lions share of the total income tax collected. It is all figures, how can both be right????.........lol

 

If you are such an expert in statistics, perhaps you would like to explain to JD the problem with Goddard's reasoning. It looks like windy missed it.

 

If you are such an expert in statistics,


"some passing understand" does not equate to "such an expert"....Did you and poor debater have the same English teacher????

perhaps you would like to explain to JD the problem with Goddard's reasoning. you are wrong, I would not...

 

there should a scientific study into the tunnel vision/delusions displayed by the denier world...how is it possible for someone in the face of mountains and mountains of data they can pick out a single point of data(1998 El Nino event) that they believe nullifies overwhelming evidence to the contrary, in religious terms "blind faith"...

maybe a simple improvement in school curriculum's that teach the purpose of data entry for displaying means and trending is required, add to that development of critical thinking skills vs rote learning so typically displayed by the forum deniers...

I understood the purpose of data entry on a graph and how to interpret the results in the eight grade, is the US educational system really that poor that high school and uni grads can't understand a graph or it's purpose?...how is possible that a country responsible for so many technical achievements to produce so many scientific illiterates? and these same illiterates will strut and crow about their countries scientific achievements then in the next breath claim these same scientists are incompetent socialist liars...

 

Considering that the heatwave was the result of the el nino southern oscillation I can safely say that your argument is massively hypocritical.