US temperatures nothing unusual

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  1. mamooth

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    I see a couple things that anyone who had even a passing familiarity with statistics should have instantly spotted. Meaning all of the denialists failed to catch it. As usual.

    First, if temperature is like a noisy signal around a constant baseline, then the number of new record highs and lows should be _decreasing_ every year, in roughly an exponential decline. That is, as more record highs get established, it will be harder to set new even higher record highs, so that will happen fewer times.

    Second, showing new record highs without showing new record lows is very obviously some brazen cherrypicking. You know, that thing denialists have to constantly to cover up for the fact that their logic, statistics and science are all dogrcap.

    Basically, what Goddard does raises one of the big red flags of pseudoscience, which is deliberately using fuzzy data when better data is available. Instead of "new highs", he could have simply used "temperature". Nope, he went for the fuzzy data instead.

    That should have been obvious to anyone who had common sense and wasn't just a simpering political cultist. And that leaves out the denialists, who tend to be emotionally incapable of understanding anything that doesn't give them a reason to hate liberals. Look at all the cultists on this thread, screaming hatred at "Obama voters". Huh? Just what does Obama have to do with the temperature record? Oh wait, I forget. Denialists. To them, science = politics, and politics = science.
     
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    First and foremost the trend is clearly down.

    Second, no it wouldn't because you warmongers have confused the argument that urban heat island doesn't effect the reconstruction with urban heat island doesn't exist. No warmonger including Hansen argues that the urban heat island effect doesn't exist only that they can account for it and correct for it. While you are correct that all things being equal you should see an exponential decline that decline is countered by exponential population growth which increases the UHI on individual stations. The individual records come from the NOAA's National Weather Service almost all of which are considered urban with growing populations. So they are subject to ever increasing urban heat island effect as population grows.

    Goddard didn't pick the fruit. The warmmongers did when they claimed one thousand new highs with no context given all Goddard did was supply context to the claim. You warmmongers really like to stretch reality when you claim cherry picking.
     
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    All I can say dude....I live in the country and it has been pretty stinkin hot.......

    Sounds like a deniers argument doesn't it.
     
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    yeah...until I discovered it on internet forums I had no idea that science and politics were actually the same...apparently many years sent in primary, secondary, Uni and every teacher and prof was negligent by not informing me that science was the exclusive domain of socialists and commies :laughing:

    for me science will always be just science I don't make assumptions on someones political beliefs by his/her profession; perhaps their confusion originates with the study of Political Science a completely unrelated field of study...
     
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    it does but they'll never understand the difference between a single weather event in the context of a long term trend and a single weather event on it's own...
     
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    I thank you for continuing to provide evidence for our thesis that most denialists are political cultists. Being so much overwhelming peer-reviewed evidence has piled up, that thesis is now the consensus belief.

    Record highs started outpacing record lows around 1980.

    So, according to your very peculiar "it's because of urban heat islands!" theory, that means the urban heat island effect only began in 1980. Obviously, no urban heat islands existed before then.

    Oh wait, I forget. It's the magical "but ... but ... the cities have been getting hotter as time goes on ... BECAUSE I SAY SO! I can't explain why or give any evidence, you just have to take my word!" theory.

    Interesting how in the 1960s and 1970s, record lows dominated. That means there must have been a magical reverse heat island effect. Can you explain the physics behind that urban cold island effect?

    Oh, Goddard also seems to be using stale data, given that most sources are quoting 5600+ new record highs so far in 2012. I imagine he won't be updating his chart, since it will no longer show what he wants it to show.
     
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    The temps are nothing unusual....so.....it is not unusual for corn and soybean crops to dry up in the fields?

    I guess thats why farmers plant them every year....to watch the harvest fail.
     
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    Corn prices have doubled.

    now 7.50 a bushel.
     
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    Exactly the thoughts I had!
     
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    Largest natural disaster in U.S. history declared today


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    Nope nothing unusual; nothing unusual at all! :rolleyes:
     
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    When it got dry here I planted sorghum...its about waist high now.

    Farmers are going to have to adjust. Texas may have to start planting "fall crops".
     
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    No.
    This is not why. Guess again. This is what scientists do and get paid for.
     
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    Freon R-22 prices tripled from the last year. Thanks to scientists. 90% of Americans will be fine without a cernel of corn. Their houses/business are air conditioned with R22. Anyone who is familiar with the industry and scientific regulations knows that among those who cannot affort government regulations based on beleifs created by scientific majorities rate of death caused by overheating of bodies in the present heat waves will incease. Scentific majorities are nothing more than murderers. It is not that minimal wage workers cannot affort a 2 bedroom apartment. It is that it may become a burning hell. But what one expect from God when the nation is turning its back to God (did you ever open the Constitution of the State you live in?)? Unless Americans rise and ban scientific majorities from public places they are destined to burn ih hell – during their life on the Earth. Xnity is not only about life/death after death, its mainly God acting during earthly life.
     
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    Scientists and bureaucrats do declare it all the time. Yellow media, American MSM spreads the declarations around. It keeps money flowing into their pockets. Will Obama jump on the board and do something about Katrina or whatever is the name of the disaster… to fill pockets of his campaign and industrial/financial monopolies with another batch of $billions??
     

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