US Using IllegaI Chemical Weapons in Syria

Yeah! Like no food shipments to Africa. Russia can evade Ukraine and Estonia. Turkey can commit genocide on the Kurds. All borders will be open for Isis infiltration. China and Korea can consolidate Korea by force. The South Sea dominos can all fall. Europe can live under Sharia Law. Yep live will just be peachy.

 

There is really only one war crime: losing.

 

Someone on here actually wrote that?

 

Just because others violate international law by using chemical weapons, does not justify the US doing it.

What is more painful however is when our leaders stand on the stage claiming moral high ground when they are doing the same thing they are calling out others. It is the hypocrisy that is the problem - especially when it is used to justify going to war.

This is then just a faux and hypocritical justification for war.

 

Some see our hypocrisy as painful, but for me it pisses me off. Even as a nation if we have never been even close to perfect, we, our leaders at one time seemed to have principles and an image of being different than some rogue nation. Well, that is in our past and these days if the curtains were pulled back to reveal the less overt lack of principle behavior we would hardly be better than the Nazis. In fact much of what we have done in recent years in the invasion of sovereign nations is not any different from other aggressive and immoral nations who were empires or trying to become an empire. We in actuality have become very close to the enemies we have fought, and what we once saw as totally unacceptable, and even criminal behavior. This is backed up by hard evidence and no one but a hypocrite or a detached from reality person can refute it. I love my nation, but despise this gov't which no longer represents the American people and certainly does not represent our best interests in DC. The only people represented are the elites, including the banking cabal and MNCs, who are owned by these elites. Who seldom lose their lives in these wars of perpetual war for perpetual peace, which are nothing more than a means of enriching these few elites. We send our ne'er do wells, to do the dying, to get maimed for life, and then this gov't won't even use tax dollars to take care of the maimed. For if they did we would not need private charities like Wounded Warriors to help care for these patriots. So, painful, no sir, we should all be pissed off and stop sending these same treasonous bastards back to DC with each election cycle. We have the power, at least today, to clean out this nest of treasonous vipers and yet we as a people just refuse to do it. So, while we can blame these politicians we should really blame ourselves for being spineless, uncaring, stupid, and so ignorant as to be divided in a tribal manner which helps to insure the treasonous corruption in DC never ends. Rant finished.

 

You have to click your heels together three times while saying that or it won't come true.

So you keep saying ...

Of course it was used in Fallujah ... saved many Marine and US Army lives there as well.

What you're assuming is how and when it was used and on whom ... you see visions of WP raining down on playgrounds full of kids or another wedding party and believe what you think rather than what you know.

Guess this must be explained as simply as I can put it ... you've been Grubered again ... and you don't care. All cleared up now?

 

Was a great and patriotic rant and you are right that "pissed off" is better euphemism.

People confuse support for our troops for support of foreign policy. This is a problem.

A similar issue at home is when people get mad at police when they should be getting mad at the bad law. In this case police are partly to blame but, what do we expect of people who are given too much power ? - that they will not abuse that power ?
Bad law and regulation increases confrontation between people and police. Police are the errand boys of the State.

We see shows depicting police going after underage drinking at College. We all know that a huge number of kids drink when underage at College and a huge number of people do not think a 20 yr old drinking is a big deal.

1) Do cops have nothing better to do with their time ?
2) Is it not an anathema to claim that at 18 a person is old enough to risk harm in war but not old enough to risk harm from alcohol ?
3) Is a law that so many disagree with legitimate ?

 

I can understand your ridicule coming from a defender of war crimes and crimes against humanity, especially from a chicken hawk.

What would have saved even more lives was not being there in the first place. But bloodbaths are for your entertainment pleasure along with your delusion that it "saves lives".

Genocide is not a "vision", it's a reality, one you embrace.

Don't bother, your "explanations" are worthless, reality is what it is.

 

Oh do try harder. White phosphorous is known as a "smoke munition".

The mindless stupidity of idiots crying over the use of smoke. Ooo so bad.
Not really like say.... nuking Hiroshima, is it?

Just wait until they use teargas! ZOMG. The horror. Man's inhumanity to man.

 

Let us know when you figure out what kind of cheese the moon is made of ... are you a 911 truther too.

 

Spoiler: WARNING - gruesome image.

"Smoke munition".

Yes, it is not as bad as nuclear bomb. A thing, that I consider being one of war crimes of WWII, one of few that people are still yet to learn to treat as a crime.

Still - this munition achieves temperature up to 1300 °C, burning the oxygen. It creates thick clouds of toxic smoke, that continues to expand all the time as white phosphorus burns. After being inhailed this smoke causes the sharp pain in gut, vomit that contains particles glowing in dark, smelling like garlic, and diarea. May cause heart failure. In concentration of 0.05-0.15 gramm poisoning leads to lethal consequence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorus_munitions#Effects_on_people

This is way more, than just smoke, and it should be banned.

 

Well not to be rude, but don't stand next to it. It's smoke. Walk in the other direction.

It's not like one minute you were walking along and then the next second you and 6-60 people near you died without warning is it?

It's big bleeding lump of burning ****. It also means there is a **** load of bullets flying around and you are plumb in the middle of a kick arse battlefield situation and your death is imminent. Smoke is in fact unlikely to be your major concern at this point and if you are smart, it might even save your life. And that indeed is it's purpose. You use it to save lives. To hide people from other people trying to kill them.

OMG he threw a smoke grenade at me. What a bastard.
FFS. How about feather dusters? Can we tickle our enemies to death in war?
Is it OK to kill them if they die laughing?

 

It gets dropped from above, it exactly the "next second" kind of thing. People do not know what it is, people get disoriented by smoke, and on top of that each particle that touches you - instantly burns through clothing and starts burning through your skin, fat and muscles. Bullets don't fly around, it used in air strikes - there is nobody to shoot at. It is used in airstrikes in populated areas.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/06/14/iraq/syria-danger-us-white-phosphorus

And if it was easily avoidable by just walking from it - it would've not been considered to be an effective munition.

 

I always take note when a poster uses a plural pronoun, he shows he doesn't have the stones to speak for himself so he takes comfort in the illusion that he speaks for everyone.

Are YOU resorting to silliness because YOU can't justify YOUR love for war crimes and crimes against humanity?

"War makes murderers out of otherwise decent people."

"If it's naive to want peace instead of war, let 'em make sure they say I'm naive. Because I want peace instead of war." - Ben Ferencz, last living Nuremburg prosecutor

Only a 9/11 liar would ask that question. 9/11 is the pretext used for this endless genocidal fake war on terror. 9/11 is the gift that keeps on giving (for the military industrial complex war profiteers). And that's the truth about 9/11.

 

It's smoke munition Ninian, you fire it at your own guys.
It covers their advance. They walk through it. They hide in it.

If people are shooting at you, or you wish to move through a street that has sniper in it, you drop one of these things. The whole place goes smokey and you can move in the smoke without getting seen and hence shot at. So you can cross the road under fire or advance across a field under fire, or if you are battle ship you can hide all the ships behind you.


It's not a lethal munition. It's a countermeasure. It could kill or injure someone, but to be fair a motor car driving down the road is way more likely to.
All you need to remember is where they dropped smoke, they could have dropped napalm or high explosive. And that would be something else entirely.

 

I presented you article on wiki about it, and even presented some information in my post. It is clearly not used as smoke munition.

 

Correct, it is a chemical weapon of mass destruction often dropped indiscriminately on civilians. The US government hypocritically attacks nations using all sorts of weapons of mass destruction, murdering many civilians in the process, using the justification that those nations used weapons of mass destruction to murder civilians.

 

I find myself in 100% agreement with your "rant" so I don't believe we could both be "ranting". Well said!

PS - I'm an American too who is painfully aware that our government no longer exists as a government. When a government no longer carries out its mandate and duty to secure the individual rights of The People, it is no longer a government. It is then a criminal cabal.

"... to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government ..." - Thomas Jefferson, Declaration of Independence - our founding document

 

I doubt that US military personnel would be stupid enough to commit war crimes given the now well known risk of discovery and punishment, but our clandestine intelligence services seem to believe they are above the law. I looked into this in 2013 and found the following:

1. Syrian rebels were arrested with sarin in June. I

"Russia has called on Turkey to share its findings in the case of Syrian rebels who were seized on the Turkish-Syrian border with a 2kg cylinder full of nerve gas sarin." http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/151261/russia-asks-turkey-for-info-on-sarin-terrorists.html

2. The UN has determined that the rebels, not Assad has used CWs, specifically the nerve agent sarin, against its own people.

"The chemical attack earlier this year was widely blamed on the Syrian regime. It is this attack that the UN now concludes was carried out by Syrian rebels."
http://guardianlv.com/2013/08/syrian-chemical-weapons-attack-carried-out-by-rebels-says-un/

3. IOW, our new Al Queda/Muslim Brotherhood 'allies' used sarin nerve agent on their own women and children.

"UN investigator suggests it was Syria's rebels who used chemical weapons
Rebel forces denied the claims by Carla Del Ponte." http://www.csmonitor.com/World/terr...-was-Syria-s-rebels-who-used-chemical-weapons

4. Rush Limbaugh has reported Yossef Bodansky's evidence that the US may have coordinated its clandestine operations with the Syrian rebels' CW attack.

"he extent of US foreknowledge of this provocation needs further investigation because available data puts the “horror” of the Barack Obama White House in a different and disturbing light." http://www.globalresearch.ca/did-the-white-house-help-plan-the-syrian-chemical-attack/5347542

Limbaugh is especially persuasive.

 

If the choice is wiping out every man, woman, and child in a city of fifty thousand, and losing one American soldier or Marine...I say, level the city.

 

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You are so-o-o tough, anonymous-san!

 

Sober up, flea brain.

 

Yeah, because I treat lives of people as equally worthy, I am a flea brain. Sure.

 

What a hero. Unfortunately, most war criminals and their chicken hawk enablers/cheer leaders agree with you. No Americans would be in danger of losing their lives if they weren't sent to murder hundreds of thousands of men, women and children and level their cities in the first place.

 

Hypocrisy is a real plague in politics and foreign affair and this in many things and issues and existing on all sides!

We have still US people who believed the BS of reasoning the criminal attack on Iraq in 2003 as truth or minimum come with this hypocrisy BS of Saddam was evil.
We have still Russian who believe that their Forces in Syria do nothing evil ... as we have still people who deny that the USSR attack into Afghanistan was no crime and there happened no crimes!

Only to show 2 of countless much examples for the 2 big players on the globe...