Utah Senate Votes to Repeal 17th Amendment......

elected officials are fired or hired. rwers are so gullible to these notions

 

You make it seem like we can't trust our politicians. Why should we delegate wartime social powers if they can't be trusted with the specific enumerations of power, already delegated?

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Senators may be appointed by State legislators with repeal of the 17th.

 

The 17th is a horrible amendment

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Lefties are ignorant of history and the original intent of the constitution

 

You think it would be harder for special interests to buy the votes of half the state legislature than half of the state voters?

 

Hell I am for this.

 

The point is a Senator is supposed to represent the government and interests of the State a congressman is supposed tor represent the people of the state.

 

Shouldn't the interests of the state and the interests of its people be the same?

 

Not always .Dont they elect their state representatives? The founders made it that way for a good reason.

 

I trust the people to elect, not state officials

 

We'll trade you the 17th for the 2nd. Sound fair?

 

The founders felt differently.

 

You would think.

 

I hope you folks realize how easy it is to lobby people in a state legislature. Hell, for only a few million you could probably get any state to choose whoever you wanted.

 

Are you sure you're from Texas?

 

yeah about many things, including women voting and slavery, but time change

 

Women could vote but it was up to the state and the founders did not back slavery.

By the way it was reps who favored giving them the right to vote everywhere.

 

Not all change is good.

Can we agree that something is systemically wrong with the federal government? We're 19 trillion in debt, the various agencies of the federal government have exploded in size and scope and the trend isn't showing improvement.

Contrast this with local and state governance; most all states have balanced budgets; agencies are more responsive to the populous as are the states representatives.

The federal government lacks an important check on its power and growth. The 17th is the systemic error, time to repeal it.

Cheers
Labour

 

the problem is corporations, not the government, too many jobs being outsourced

the problem is too much money going overseas... or getting stuck in the hands of the 1%, not enough trickle down

the problem is too much war

republicans control the tax an dpurse strings, republicans like to borrow and spend, dems are tax and spend

for most of the working class, they will pay the same tax regardless who is in office

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What? That's no solution, I'm offering one can you come to the table with something?

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Labour

 

your not offering a solution, your trying to take the power from the people and give it to the government

 

They are outsourcing because of government regulations.

 

nope, greed....

 

That would be the government or more precisely politicians

 

politicians that you want to pick rather then the people pick

 

Im a person and I dont get to pick the candidates I only get to vote for those who are chosen..