Vancouver restaurant manager fired for refusing to serve man in MAGA hat

Absolutely. The exact same problem I have with a baker refusing to make a cake for someone because the are gay.

 

so now its wrong to throw out a customer wearing a "KKK" hat?

 

That is assuming they were both caused by the same thing, bigotry. This may not be the case.

 

Fair enough, you are consistent and I can respect that.

I have a different view which I'm sure you don't agree with.

If there was a gay baker who refused to make a cake for an anti-gay group I would have no problem with that and would support them fully.

I would disagree with a place a restaurant refusing to serve homosexuals, that is wrong.

 

i can no longer kick out customers that have Nazi shirts?

 

It’s not about bigotry. It’s about what businesses inherently promise by opening their doors to the public. That needs to be preserved for the sake of our society not to mention the economic well being of our service economy.

Imagine if every business started this style of discriminating.

 

Could be, but his rhetoric was entirely inappropriate for a candidate for public office. His loyal supporters might get carried away. There were instances of this reported in the same article.

 

I actually like his "in your face" rhetoric.

Its refreshing.

Its funny how people on both sides have been complaining for years about the same old politicians, all being the same, never being honest and now that they have one who is completely honest and is nothing like a normal politician, they deride him and say how much they hate it.

I think Trump is setting a new standard and we won't ever see another Obama or Romney or Bush type of politician ever holding that office again.

 

Trump is not completely honest. He lies constantly. That is one of the many issues with him. He is a con man, not an honest politician, and having someone like that in such a position of power is downright dangerous to our country. Especially when so many people, such as yourself, refuse to see that out of a desire to believe in Trump as a person and a leader, and in the ideology he espouses in order to secure that loyalty.

Bottom line, do not worship any person of power, ever. Not Trump, not 0bama, not anyone. These are public servants, not emperors to be adored and obeyed and believed without question.

 

It's a tough one. I can understand why people do it and I don't see it the same as the bakers. I see this as a very unusual situation which when people talk back to the 30's they believe that if people had not just allowed the first thing to happen and then the second and gradually bit by bit - things would not have turned out as they did. I see it as conscience. People are not going to harm anyone coming in and eating if they are gay or a woman or black so not allowing them in is just because of who they are. With the situation of the MAGA hat however, the person is being an advertisment for something that many genuinely believe is moving towards fascism. It is understandable that they will not want people to be an advertisement for this in their restaurant. The Manager did say he could stay if he took the hat off - and that is what it was, an advertisement. Some people would hence feel that allowing him to stay with his hat advertising what is going on in the Trump regime as being in collusion with it. I think it is perfectly fair to ask people to remove advertisements for something you see as inherently dangerous if they are going to eat in your restaurant.

 

But such a thing flies directly in the face of freedom of expression. You are not the employee of the restaurant. You are also not violating any laws by wearing the hat. We are treading into strange territory where businesses leave suggested dress codes behind and embark on micromanaging what their customers wear, and refusing to comply leads to ejection from the establishment.

You open your doors to the public, you don’t get to choose who walks in. If you are worried about what his choice of hat will say about the establishment, find him a comfortable seat on the back and serve him as quickly as possible but you shouldn’t be able to reject him as a customer because you find his hat embarrassing.

 

Hitler, Mao, and Stalin had the courage of their convictions. I guess it's worth something, but I'm not sure what. I'm not a Trump supporter.

 

I hear what you say and you may be right in all that but there still is another side of this. There is conscience.

It is people expressing concerns about what they see as potentially fascist. I definitely get the idea that you just do not give it the time of day. Haaretz had an article after the 'Muslim Ban' went back and was passed and one of the things which it mentioned was the massive change in thinking that has happened in the US since that first came up. This Manager apparently did not feel able to act towards something which he saw as potentially destroying every thing the US has stood for as the norm.

If by any chance it does turn into fascism you will have zilch freedoms.

 

Agree.

 

Fortunately, most conservatives never mistreated hippies and most liberals treat MAGA types with respect.

 

I'd offer that it was intolerance.

 

In lib la la land the motto is “Do as we say not as we do”

 

You are right. It is intolerance of intolerance.
This is Popper

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/25998-the-so-called-paradox-of-freedom-is-the-argument-that-freedom

 

Yep.

 

If "by way of the liberal MSM's all out hate campaign against Donald Trump" you mean the MSM broadcasting Trump's speeches, interviews and Tweets, then we are agreed.

 

Or a "BLM" hat?

 

Yes, so did FDR, JFK and Trump. What's your point?

 

Following this logic, a restaurant owner affiliated with EDL, an organization that sees Islam as inherently dangerous, would be entitled to ask Muslim women to remove hijabs in his restaurant or be kicked out.

An atheist restaurant owner would be entitled to ask nuns to remove their garb in his restaurant.

A feminist restaurant owner would be entitled to ask women to remove bras in her restaurant.

"We, at the Happy Bull Restaurant, believe there's nothing more dangerous than the red color, therefore we kindly ask customers to remove items of said color before entering or be kicked out".

Does that sound fair to you?

Maybe questionnaires about the political orientation and other personal beliefs of customers should be mandatory before entering a restaurant?

Alexa, you just said that genuinely believing something gives the believer the right to discriminate. Is that so?

 

MAGA isn't the extreme it's made out to be on the left.

 

Standing up for one's beliefs is only worth so much.