Vancouver restaurant manager fired for refusing to serve man in MAGA hat

Gays have the same rights as others.

Transgenders have the same rights as others.

They want extra rights.

Denied!

 

I hope you mean just their heads.

 

So you agree with same-sex marraige and the rights included in that legal union?

 

Doesn't matter with what I think, the Court had decided so I must abide by it.

 

I set a bear trap for ya there, as I'm sure you caught.

I'm not sure we are talking about laws so much as morality here.

Is a belief(and you already said a belief should not be discriminated against) such as an attraction towards the same sex sexually morally protect you against discrimination?

 

Morality is subjective and determined by each individual society.

 

Don't worry about liberals being too tolerant. They are the most intolerant people by far, and their intolerance often includes violence. They try to justify it by calling those they disagree with Nazis.

 

On the contrary, I think it's good liberals started acting like libertarians. Maybe their hate for Trump will help change parts of the CRA, specifically where the Feds dictate what private business owners must do.

While I readily agree that discrimination based on gender, skin tone, religion or any other legal characteristic is morally wrong, I'm greatly disturbed by empowering a Federal government to dictate morality.

 

Individual. Period. IMHO.

 

Sorry but individuals don't make morality, it doesn't exist until one other person agrees with you.

 

Are you saying you can't decide for yourself what is moral or not? Morality is individually chosen. Just because a bunch of local idiots think women are subservient doesn't make it moral even if only one person disagrees with the mob.

 

Nice dodge. Should all citizens be afforded rights if their "beliefs" do not interfere with other citizen's rights?

 

So, you admit that standing up for one's beliefs does have value. Thanks, and agreed.

 

Should a particular societies morality influence law?

 

All citizens should be treated equally by our government; hence the 14th Amendment. Legislating morality on the citizenry is a fool's errand and empowering our government to force morality on people only leads to an authoritarian society. Consider the religion police of Iran and Saudi Arabia.

Better to entice people to do the right thing, not force them.

 

Yes, some spin it left, some spin it right, very few don't spin it at all.

Who is for letting Islamic extremists into the country? Did you support the white supremacists marching in support of Trump?

 

so maga intolerance is acceptable right along with ISIS and NAZISM...glad we got that out of the way...

 

The only MSM site that spins right is FOX. And I think that promoting hatred towards a president and the millions of people who support him is a lot more than spin.

Who is for letting Islamic extremists into the country? All those who oppose doing anything to stop it.

I don't support supremacists of any color, but I do support their right to march and rally and protest like anyone else, as long as they do not initiate violence.

 

@Spooky Is really "spooky"

 

@Spooky

Should a law say that a behavior that is deemed immoral by a religion be law?

Should religion be a guiding light for law?

And if so, which religion should guide the law?

 

What "extra rights" are the trying to get?

 

Context.

 

People should not be discriminated due to their religious beliefs. Homosexuality is not a belief, it is a preference, one not based on any sort of faith (something unproven that is believed). Homosexuals don't believe sexual relations with people of their same gender are pleasurable, they know so, this is what "turns them on", they desire sex with people of their own gender are not aroused by people of the opposite gender. Sexual and religious orientation are very different, only those with no faith would find any similarity.

Religious orientation for many is an innate characteristic. For Jews it results from the Jewish ethnicity of their mother, for Catholics it results from baptism shortly after birth by decision of the parents. Membership in other faiths differs, some require higher levels of conscious choice, so religious faith (which may not be the basis for discrimination) can be an innate or acquired condition.

Discrimination based on innate characteristics is commonly held to be immoral when the characteristic is racial, ethnic, due to national origin, gender, physical capacity or age. If it is true homosexuality is innate, this too would be an immoral basis for discrimination.

I think homosexuality is an acquired trait, that it is not innate. I don't think homosexuals should be discriminated against due to their sexual preference, but I know there are religions which do condemn the practice and their followers should not be discriminated against.

I would make an exception to discrimination against homosexuals for people who claimed this was based on religious beliefs.

 

They already have a right that I and many million others don't have which is the right not to be discriminated against.

 

I have a right to ban someone from my business that wears a shirt that says "KKK" or "BLM".