VIPS to Trump: Intel on Iran Could be CATASTROPHIC

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  1. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If I were only posting "****" you should be able to refute what I've written & supported but you can't so you're forced to retreat to ad hominem slurs.

    Regrettably, ethical & courageous peace seeking Israelis have been sidelined by murderous Right Wing Zionists in quest of a "Greater Israel" & an "Arabrein" Palestine cleansed of its Native non Jewish population.

    I know the importance of having & protecting good friends.
    However, good friends are not to be found among Israel's war mongering & grasping Zionists that have proven in both word & deed that they are no friend to the U.S. as far back as the Israeli False Flag firebombing of U.S. installations in Egypt during the early 1950s (the Lavon Affair).

    The Israeli objective then, as in innumerable subsequent bloody deceptions, was to dupe the US into a fraudulent war with Egypt from which only greedy & militant Zionist extremists would benefit from the sacrifice of American lives & precious resources.

    Briefly before I enlisted in the US military, America's "ally", Israel, attacked our USS Liberty initially using unmarked Fighter planes & deliberately massacred 34 fellow Americans.

    Not only were powerful Zionist agents in US Government able to quash a retaliation and initiating a cover-up, they even succeeded in extracting the usual $ Billions in US "Aid".

    Subsequent betrayals, deceptions, manipulations and incidents of blatant parasitism are as numerous as they are nauseating.

    Perhaps no one has articulated the true spirit of the unholy US - Israeli "alliance" better than Netanyahu in 2002:

    Netanyahu: “Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away”

    http://web.archive.org/web/20060512...pecial_Reports/092105Madsen/092105madsen.html
     
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    Hitler never started WW2 nor did he want a WW!
     
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    He just wanted to conquer other nations, and figured, what the hell, who is gonna object? ha ha. I guess he wasn't that smart? Forgot he lived in a cause effect universe, I reckon?

    He may not have wanted to start ww2, but his actions guaranteed it. Of course I am sure he is blameless.
     
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    I read not too long ago that every day about 20 US veterans commit suicide! That is a horrible situation and should be addressed immediately! It seems to me that the top brass in the American hierarchy has no conscience. Soldiers are soulless, expendable chattel to them. And their imagined enemies are not humans like they are and can be mistreated and tortured in horrendous ways... even argue that it is legal! These elites and top brass have no humanity in them.
     
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    POLES STARTED THE WAR! AND ENGLAND AND FRANCE STARTED THE WORLD WAR!
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    Adolf Hitler in his address to the Reichstag on Sept. 1, 1939 – ‘We are shooting Back.’
     
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    "most knowledgeable historians" supporting your claims sounds pretty made up to me. As you've failed to provide even one, I think it is safe to assume I'm right.
     
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    Study of n=1 has no statistical evedence.
     
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    I hold them all accountable, along with all your neocon war mongering buds
     
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    Hitler did start WWII along with fascist Italy and imperialist japan
     
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    Most knowledgeable historians are aware that the nazi military buildup was incomplete in 1939
     
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    Indeed so - think 'cannon fodder'? All these political blandishments for their militaries are weasel words, and the west's leaders couldn't care less about their soldiers. On the contrary they're contemptuous of them.
     
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    I found this post in an answer to a question of Hitler delaying war by 5 years.
     
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    And had you just said that I'd agree. However, you said that these historians you claim to have read extrapolated that to a German win if the war had been delayed by 5 years. That isn't even close to being the same thing.

    These historians should also be aware that the British, French & especially Russian buildup/restructure were incomplete in 1939 and would have benefited even more from the delay.

    So, we are back to you making things up and point blank refusing to admit error. Character and credibility.
     
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    All of that is perfectly reasonable, but it speaks to the desires of some members of the German high command rather than the broader impact of those changes in context with what the Allies were doing.

    Everyone else was madly re-arming in the late 30s, so the question is what forces those better equipped Germans are going to face. What will Britain, France & Russia be fielding? How big will their armies be? How about their navies & air forces? How will Germany pay for all the new toys?

    To offer one example, by 1950 Russia will have several well constructed lines of fortifications facing any German force, and army where the T-34 is already obsolete and a decade of practising the sort of massed armoured tactics that it had pioneered in the 20s & 30s before Stalin gutted the armoured formations. France & Britain will also be much harder to beat.

    From 1939-41 Germany hit a 'sweet spot', where its major opponents were still behind in rearming & retraining their forces, so their superior numbers, resources & industrial potential were not as significant as they would have been even a few years later.

    There is a lot of speculation about the consequences of a delayed start to WW2, but there isn't anything close to the consensus that another poster is trying to pretend there is.
     
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    You mean the neocon Republicans? They are the reason I resigned the Republican party in 2002.

    Now you have Bolton and Trump..
     
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    Whatever
     
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    The Germans withdrew from the Treaty of Versailles in 1933. The Anglo-German Naval Treaty was signed in 1935. And once again, the Bismark did not violate it.
     
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    I will defer to that for the moment

    Because I cant find a reference to dispute it
     
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    Well, there was Clinton, Obama and Kerry carrying their water.
    Made Bill Kristol look like an alter boy
     
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    We urge you to act decisively. If you act now to end the threat of weapons of mass destruction against the U.S. or its allies, you will be acting in the most fundamental national security interests of the country. If we accept a course of weakness and drift, we put our interests and our future at risk.

    Sincerely,

    Elliott Abrams Richard L. Armitage William J. Bennett

    Jeffrey Bergner John Bolton Paula Dobriansky

    Francis Fukuyama Robert Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad

    William Kristol Richard Perle Peter W. Rodman

    Donald Rumsfeld William Schneider, Jr. Vin Weber

    Paul Wolfowitz R. James Woolsey Robert B. Zoellick

    Archived from: http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm
     
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    Sounds like Clinton on Kosovo
     
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    Its the plan crafted by Bibi Netanyahu.
     
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    Your buddy
     
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    Can't stand him.
     
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