VIPS to Trump: Intel on Iran Could be CATASTROPHIC

The good-natured people aren't the one's in charge.

 

Nice try

But germany would have easily kicked the Allies ass up to and including the use of jets, atomic weapons and missle delivery systems

Not to mention a vast submarine fleet that would have ruled the Atlantic Ocean

Of course this is only speculation

But we wery very lucky the hitler had so many fatal flaws and the brits were wise enough to choose Winston Churchill to lead them

 

And the world reeks with people of a Chamberlain mentality.

 

Indeed.

If just his ME-262 underground factory had been finished a few years earlier.....

Would have been an entirely different ball of wax.

 

Not so

But there were secret portions of the pact that were not revealed till after the war

 

Let me move to Assad. I know how this country slams Assad. More vital in my view is the public of Syria and are they against the man. I don't understand Democrats in the USA politicians so for me to understand Assad would be reaching too far, nor his public. I realize some took guns against the government.

I doubt Assad would ask Iran nor Russia to leave them. Frankly were I Assad, there is no way I would ask them to leave. It won't hurt my feelings one bit for the US to remove our forces from Syria.

Do not get the idea I am friendly to Assad. But there comes a point where it simply is not our affair. We are there today I believe. Also this is not official, I am just a person with my own opinion. All humans can be wrong. I am human.

 

You’re missing the fact that Liberals in America knew nothing about it until it was all over.

 

What atomic weapons? The German atomic bomb program had zero funding prior to the war and afterwards it was so disfunctional as to be useless. Hell, one of the lead nuclear scientists for Germany at the time believed nuclear reactions were *self-limiting*. Had they actually built a reactor based on his concepts, they would have had a runaway criticality incident and irradiated half of Germany.

On the other hand, the Tube Alloys project in Britain had both good funding and the participation of the best physicists in the world. Give them 5 or 6 more years plus the participation of the French, and it’s British bombers delivering A-bombs to Germany on day one.

You are aware that prior to the outbreak of war, the British were actually further along in net development than the Germans were, right?

What vast submarine fleet? If Germany started building more submarines than the Anglo-German Naval Treaty allowed, that definitely would have sparked a war. At the very least, the British would have focused massive efforts on anti-submarine weapons.

There is no way the Germans have a missile capable of carrying an A-Bomb by 1946. It took until the mid-50’s to get nuclear weapons small enough to fit on missiles.

 

Dornitz planned for a fleet of 300 submarines but had only 35 in 1939

And he still almost ruled the Atlantic Ocean in 1940-41

That would have knocked GB out of the war

 

It's all so bizarre that I can't decide whether our (US & UK) political classes have gone completely bonkers or have some hidden agenda.

 

But I'm still not convinced that the admin is up to something - now that the likes of Ahmadinajad et al have gone, maybe we should (to use one of your phrases) cut them some slack? I mean, we are talking about a possible war here??

 

Who are the VIP's?

 

I think it's due to taking too many opioids.

 

I see, so the justification for invasion is again about WMD'S.

 

whose estimates? I'm curious. Actual historians or people with some sort of decent understanding of WW2 preferably.

Pretty much every other WW2 related claim you have made on this thread has been wrong. I'd love to know where this one came from.

usually I'd be confident that a US President wouldn't make decisions based on poorly thought out stuff like that, but this isn't 'usually'.

 

Yes

 

Most knowledgable historians

 

The VIPS says the claim that Russians hacked the DNC is literally impossible and it ONLY could have been an inside job within the DNC.

 

Who do you think does make policy? Politicians?

Why would you make that assumption? All those named are scum in my view. And Blair comes nearly at the very top of that list - although Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and the other Neocons who manufactured and drove that war deserve imprisonment for war crimes associated with it, imo. Blair too.

I think you need to learn to ask questions before making accusations in the future.

 

It's a disgusting habit, I know. Fortunately, I'm seeing someone about a solution. Perhaps they'll recommend that I abandon reason and independence, throw common sense and experience into the rubbish bin and, in future, simply accept the authorised version of events as relayed by the mainstream media and those members of the intelligence community who work for elite interests rather than adhering to democratic conventions.

Then I can be a full member of the intellectually bereft group-think club and wear an avid face that glows with certitude, and act with full measure of fervid pusillanimous puissance.

Last night I dreamt I swallowed a dictionary....

 

Perhaps? Perhaps not? The Nazi atom bomb project was dual. The one you refer to, was according to a friend who worked on the ZDF documentary of the Nazi bomb project under the control of SS General Hans Kammler, for the consumption of the allies. He refers to it as the "public one". But Kammler's true bomb project was developed in parallel in complete secrecy and were apparently tested in the Hartz Mountains. He says that project was very close to having "a few" working nukes.

Of course, there is no proof or irrefutable evidence for this, but there are indications. Secrecy continues to swirl around this subject. For example, at the end of the war, Kammler disappeared and was never heard of again. What happened to him remained a complete mystery. Until about 2 years ago.

I can provide some bit and pieces on this story is there is an interest. Otherwise, the following may be of interest (the doco itself is in German - I have a copy).

https://translate.google.com/transl...he-nach-hitlers-atombombe-108.html&edit-text=

 

Bad ... very bad comparison Mac!

#1
Nazi Germany was completely indebted in 1939 and for financial reasons Hitler had to start the war and could not wait a few years!

# 2
Luckily Germany lost the war, as so often happens in all wars, mainly because of its own stupidity and mistakes ... and I'm talking about avoidable mistakes that were only made thanks to Hitler.

# 3
Are you really just trying to prevent Iran's nuclear armament?
I say no, you want to topple the regime and just look for alibis!

 

Yes, I remember all those things. What does that have to do with the lies told by Powell on behalf of Bush & Co?

 

Thanks; I hardly expect to banish war from the planet.

However, as a loyal American & combat Vet., who routinely spends time with younger, mutilated, burned & traumatized American Vets, I feel a responsibility to keep more Americans from suffering the same fate in another gratuitous war for Israeli Right Wingers, disloyal American "Israel Firsters" & grotesquely deceived Iran haters.

I vividly remember the lead up to the Iraq war when over 80% of Americans had been successfully whipped into a martial, anti Iraq fever but fewer than 5% of Americans could find Iraq on a map.

America cannot afford additional $ Billions in "Aid" to Israel & another war for Israeli Regional Hegemony when so many American Veterans are not receiving anywhere near the care they need & deserve.

 

I disagree

Hitler could have found the money he needed to continue his military buildup

After all war is more expensive than a mere arms race

lack of money did not stop the germans from waging war after 1939

As for iran I suppose you are going to accuse trump of wanting to steal irans oil for his own nefarious purposes

Yes I want to see the mad mullahs out of power

Which I dont think is possible

But we could cripple their nuclear capability and prevent a nuclear arms race in the persian gulf