VIPS to Trump: Intel on Iran Could be CATASTROPHIC

There is no evidence that Iran was violating the nuclear deal and Trump never claimed they were.

 

Funny that Russia didn't lift a finger to help Assad until Sept 2015.

 

In most recent times Iran invaded no one

But they engage in war by proxie all over tbe middle east

 

You are as usual mistaken

 

True

It was a bad deal for America to start with

 

During the Cold War (1947–1991), Syria was an ally to the Soviet Union in opposition to the Western powers, and a stronger political bond grew.

Between 1955 and 1958, Syria received about $294 million from the Soviet Union for military and economic assistance. The Suez War in 1956 accelerated a multiplication of ties between Syria and the Soviet Union, simultaneously with the increase in power and influence of the Syrian Ba'ath Party.

The Syrian Revolution of February 1966 gave the Soviet Union the opportunity to further support Syria.

In 1971, under an agreement with the Syrian Ba'athist government's President Hafez al-Assad, the Soviet Union was allowed to open its naval military base in Tartus, giving the Soviet Union a stable presence in the Middle East.

Thousands of Syrian military officers and educated professionals studied in Russia during President Hafez al-Assad's three-decade rule (1971–2000).

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russi..._War#History_of_ties_between_Syria_and_Russia

 

Sept 2015

Russians Strike Targets in Syria, but Not ISIS Areas

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/01/world/europe/russia-airstrikes-syria.html

 

When Iran got far more out of the deal than we got, I knew then and there it was a bad deal.
Reminded me of the time that England signed a deal with Hitler not to attack each other.

 

Jerome Corsi documents it in his book. Saying the Democrats are not the resistance is like me saying they love the Star Spangled Banner.

 

Jerome Corsi is a moron and a conspiracy theorist..

 

Sounds as if you actually know the man to talk that way.

Let's get to know Dr. Corsi a lot better then to show how he is not a moron.

 

Margot, why do you denigrate sites that state facts and gives readers the respect of reaching their own conclusions? Do you really think that sites which give their own conclusions rather than facts, are more intellectual? If not, then why are you saying it?

 

Rather than saying Iran got more and we got less, how about saying what the more and less was, otherwise it could just be propaganda. I know the banks were holding on to Iran's money for decades and were making a fortune on it, and also we are not 'God' and shouldn't be sanctioning nations for something that we and many other nations have - like nuclear arms for instance.

 

Oh my God, don't tell me the Russians attacked Al Nusra/Al Queda? Oops, I mean the 'moderate' terrorists. They're the ones who only behead Christians.

Margot, how about telling them and all the foreign agents with them to get the damn hell out of Syria.

 

Seems like the regular people and the rhetoric of politicians are rarely in line. Bet it's pretty much the same in North Korea, where again average people wouldn't be all hateful and clamboring for war, and just as it is here in the US, where most of us are not beating the war drums to go into Iran or anywhere else. There's just a minority who buy into that hype and rhetoric, and those are the ones more likely to be heard internationally. It's also damned hard to mount an effective resistance to the war hawks. They seem to enjoy every advantage.

 

That is a fair point. Questioning what is fair.

Iran is a kind of country where they openly scream Death to America. If we suspect Iran is kind to it's citizens, perish that idea. So we are not dealing with a nice country. True it is not alone but it is the country that captured so many Americans and as we anguished, held them hostage. And even had a role in more captives held at the time in Lebanon.

I do not find the USA gained anything at all from the nation still devoted to Death to America. I am not clear that banks made fortunes off Iran. I would need to first read all the agreements banks operate under on issues such as seized funds. That might confirm your comments, or maybe not. For instance suppose profits flowed to the USA?

 

No he couldn’t have. 5 or 6 years means England and France have fully completed their military reforms and modernization, the Soviets have fully recovered from the purges and have rolled out stuff like the T-34 and MiG-3 into full service, and looting-based German economy would be in the process of self-destruction.

 

Considering the existence of the Molotov-Ribbentrop plan didn’t even come out until AFTER the German invasion of Poland...

 

Good question and I am also curious why.

 

At my age, and my childhood as an American during our fight vs Hitler, that those wanting to stop Hitler prior to his break out were also called war hawks and reviled.

We do reach a point that calls for taking out some operator such as a Hitler to keep from having hundreds of thousands killed later on. We gained nothing at all by waiting on Hitler to open war.

Most Americans seem to think all iran has is a tiny and not effective military. Well, I guess so did Hitler in a lot of people's minds.

 

What am I missing given my belief that took place first and that Germany and Russia worked out how to attack Poland and defeat the country and carve it up so each side got a share of Poland.

 

It's hard since we aren't omniscient and can't look into the future. We can't even be sure of whether one course was better than another after the fact.

Is Iran a Nazi Germany-level threat to the Middle East? To the world? I don't see how it could be. It isn't about to steamroll neighboring countries. It's far too checked by US and other major military powers for that to happen, not to mention its neighbors. Israel and Iran would probably be fairly evenly matched, for instance, the question of possible nukes aside.

 

So far the only problem I have found with Iran, is its threats - especially to Israel - which is stupid of them because it only back fires on them. If Iran does mean what they say, then they are a threat - but I don't know. Threats are being bandied back and forth with quite a few nations, so it might be a form of psychological warfare.

As for Syria, it's unreasonable to expect Assad to ask Iran to leave, at least not yet while they are still battling ISIS and Al Nusra. Should the rest of them leave - like the US for instance, then maybe Assad could do so.

The one walking a tight rope here is Russia, since it's trying to pacify both sides - but then again, they have the most to gain from peace other than Syria.

 

Life is not so good for the thousands of burned, traumatized, dismembered & blinded American Veterans who linger in the halls of our underfunded & understaffed V.A. Hospitals across the US who were sent to a distant, toxic hell hole because of the lies & machinations of a foreign government in quest of Regional Hegemony.

“QUIETLY LOBBYING CONGRESS TO APPROVE THE USE OF FORCE IN IRAQ WAS ONE OF AIPAC’S SUCCESSES OVER THE PAST YEAR.”
AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. Sun, Jan. 2003

The "good life" is certainly not in the cards for for the additional American young men & women whose blood will soak distant soil if the same Israeli lobbies & disloyal American "Israel Firsters" get their way.......Again.

As a loyal American Veteran who uses our local V.A., I regularly see the REAL cost of AIPAC's "Quiet successes" in the eyes of those mutilated young American men & women who sacrificed so much for that "good life" you mention.


"Israel is trying to ‘suck America into’ Iranian war that could lead to world war — "
https://mondoweiss.net/2018/03/america-lawrence-wilkerson/
EXCERPT "A war with Iran, he said, could “perhaps terminate the experiment that is Israel and do irreparable damage to the empire that America has become.”

But Israeli leaders want a war, and they are pushing one with the support of their American political friends, including Democrats like Sen. Chris Coons of Delaware, whose overheated rhetoric about Iran recalls Joseph Goebbels, the Nazi propagandist, Wilkerson said. Another pro-war faction are “warmed-over neoconservatives” who got us into the Iraq war." CONTINUED

 

How DARE you question the US intelligence agencies, sir!

We're still doing that, right?