Virginia house passes national popular vote bill.

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  1. HTownMarine

    HTownMarine Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Per capita, FARRRRRRR more Democrats depend on the government to exist.

    Blacks make up 13% of the population but more than 30% of welfare recipients.

    Hispanic numbers are probably pretty close as well.
     
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    We cannot cut programs that people have paid into, that is theft.
    I fully support efforts to reduce fraud, waste and duplication in all programs across the board (the segments from trumps 2021 budget are spot on).
    After those areas are addressed then the percentage of cuts come including military expenditure.
     
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    Natural resources? What are they? Cows? Melting glaciers?
    What does the size of the military budget have to do with democracy?
    And Switzerland accepts TEN TIMES the number of refugees as America, on a per capita basis. In Switzerland - 8.45 refugees per thousand population. In USA - 0.84 refugees per thousand population. And that was in 2015 - BEFORE Trump slashed the number of refugees accepted.

    But yeah - Switzerland has WAY more direct democracy than America, but is also way more politically stable ...
     
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    Which means they are being supported by the blue states.
     
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    Sure we can - you are only... entitled... to the benefits the government chooses to give you.
     
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    Doesn't matter. Virginia has become a solid blue state. In fact all those who have signed onto the compact are solid blue.

    If Virginia or any of the others were by chance to turn red, state legislature and governor, they can repeal the compact. It isn't written in stone. Also if the Republican candidate looked like he would win the popular vote, you can bet the ranch those states now members of the compact would immediately repeal the legislation or revoke their membership. Ultra high partisanship is unhealthy for this country whether it comes from the left or the right, from Republicans or Democrats. This putting political party above the country and undermining the Constitution via the backdoor instead of the Constitutional method of amendments, shows how low this country has fallen when it becomes win by any means available.
     
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    Not after the new tax cut laws put in by your president. State income taxes are no longer deductible on the federal tax form. Stick around, you will see a yuge change on monies from the fed going to states.
    BTW, if you live in a blue high tax state, thanks for your new welcomed contribution to the Federal coffers. Please stay in the state you now reside.
     
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    You do not posses, and are not owed, anything in particular, so a reduction of benefits does not, and can not, 'steal' anything form you .
    So... No.
     
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    You may have to move to the Carolinas
     
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    :roflol:

    really cant say anything to that, laughter is all that'll come out...
     
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    Sure, the electoral college would be divided up at the state level. A state with 10 electors, who voted 60-40 Clinton, she would get 6 and Trump 4. It could get more complicated by assigning electors to districts within a state. So Tennessee, for instance, could have west 3, middle 3, and east 3, for a total of 9 electors. The electors from Nashville may go for Clinton, but Memphis and Knoxville-Chattanooga Trump.

    I think it is the most logical way to keep the electoral college, which is a fair way of ensuring highly populated areas do not control the outcome.
     
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    This is something that could be determined at the state level, but I agree.
     
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    Now the VA vote no longer matters. Good job VA.
     
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    Hey! We finally agree on something! I am smiling!
     
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    The Democrats will never allow a system where a Republican gets electoral votes from a majority Dem vote in IL, CA, and NY.
     
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    I agree. The whole concept would likely require a Constitutional Amendment. Not sure though.
     
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    A very simple and elegant solution to achieving one person one vote without eliminating the electoral college. Of course neither party really wants a true Democracy.
     
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    I dealt with the quality of life issue and moved to southern Virginia.

    There are signs that the political situation is beginning to turn around, which is good, but we won't be able to start measuring that until November. Yesterday, I read an astonishing article where Trump is polling ahead of all the Dem presidential candidates except Biden, but even that matchup was in the margin of error. The fact that Virginia is even in play is remarkable.
     
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    Bet you can post a link to that poll!
     
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    I bet I can, too.
     
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    States can allot their EC votes however they want.
     
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    OK. How about doing it!
     
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    I'll do it twice!


     
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    From the article posted in the OP:

    A state may withdraw from the compact; however, a withdrawal occurring within six months of the end of a President's term shall not become effective until a President or Vice President has qualified to serve the next term,” the summary continues.


    Everything after the word "however" is confusing. Six months before the end of a President's term would be early July. By then, everyone knows who the nominees are for the election. Do they mean "until a nominee for President or Vice President has qualified"?

    A President (or VP) is qualified for the next term only during the first term (unless impeached and tossed). And, after 2nd term, nominees qualify to be President based only on age and citizenship. Presidents and VP's are already qualified to serve. Either I'm missing something, or that's completely garbled wording. (???)

    Regarding withdrawal, the "state" (not the citizens?) can opt out, if it looks like the national popular vote is against them and stay in if it's going to right direction to keep them in power. This sounds like the opposite of what Democrats call "democracy". The people of Virginia and other states joining the pact might as well not vote. Their governors will decide for them what is in their best interest if state governments can just opt in or out.
     
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    Any time it changes its law.
    Presuming the USSC hasn't tossed the compact or CA/NY/IL caused it to collapse, of course.
     
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