Visualizing gun deaths – Comparing the U.S. to rest of the world

Bit of a God complex there, eh sport? I'm not positive but I don't think he was asking for your permission.

 

To be fair there is a gun law based in taxing authority. However this simple fact works in our(gun rights advocates) favor. It proves that at the time congress understood that they could not ban these guns, that it would be unconstitutional. This however was clearly their desire and the desired function of this unconstitutional "tax law".

The 1934 National Firearms Act(NFA) is a tax law, it bans nothing technically. It simply required an exorbitant tax on certain weapons that was near impossible to pay even if you had the money.

 

if you read the ATF circular on it, even that organization admits the purpose was to ban machine guns etc. it clearly infringes and under Miller and Heller, its unconstitutional. The Hughes amendment should have led to those who foisted that abomination upon us being perp walked into federal court and long prison terms. that amendment was not even passed but arch turd Rangel claimed it was.

 

Agreed, at least we can thank the stupidity of politicians that they didn't index the tax to inflation, that it's a flat $200. At the time when the firearm in question could be had for $20 that tax was insane. Today however $200 is manageable, it's still unconstitutional, but we can get by.

 

we can get by if the idiotic Hughes Amendment is thrown out which is should be given its unconstitutional and the incredibly dishonest way it was "passed"

 

Wow I hadn't read before about how the Hughes Amendment was 'passed'. Disgusting, as bad as the Miller hearing.

 

one of my closest college friends was a high up in the Reagan legal team and he said Reagan was told it (HA) would be stricken either during the reconciliation or by the courts and they didn't want to lose all the good the McClure-Volker act did

Hughes got his panties in a wad because the MV act prevented say NJ from arresting someone in PA driving to another state and through NJ with weapons that were legal in PA and say Legal in Delaware but banned in NJ

 

Where is the rest of the world? That's just the U.S, Canada and Europe. Your thread title is misleading.

 

Then work to amend the constitution because it is a right.

 

why are convicted felons being denied that alleged right?

 

Because they're convicted felons? They also lose their voting rights and certain rights of association. Sexpredators lose the right to move about the country freely and must register. Got a problem with that?

 

This is a stupid strain argument gun death may be up but the violent crime rate is not. I mean why do you focus on the weapon that was used in the crime vs the crime it self?

Move along nothing to see here

 

Due to Gun Control Act of 1968 (Public Law 90-61. I also don't support taking that right away from people once they have served their time and probation.

 

Actually I do. If someone has served their time in prison, they deserve to have their rights re-instated to. If they don't deserve their rights to be re-instated, they shouldn't be out of prison then.

 

Yeah, give an ex-con armed robber back their guns!

 

Legally, we make the distinction between innocent and guilty life. Yeah, we do value life that has done no wrong more highly than life that has.

In media, it's strange. The "BlackLivesMatter" hashtag has gotten to the point where the missing word at the end is "more". Our media indicates that it matters greatly when a black man is shot, but only if he is shot by a white man. Black guys killed by black guys, or white guy killed by anyone, doesn't really matter, per media attention.

 

The nation and its population will evolve; things will eventually change.

 

As it has for the better with more states honoring the Constitutional individual right to keep and bear arms and the increase in "shall issue" CCW laws in more and more states Not quite the oppressive evolution you had hoped for, eh Johnny.

 

The changes will come. It won't always continue to go the way trends are leading now. Things CAN surely be improved over time. What this generation accepts as the norm or 'optimal', will not necessarily be what the next sees.

I don't know exactly how things will change, but I do know that the will and a concerted effort to improve things typically accomplishes the same.

 

And you just want to lump all convicted felons together with murderers, rapists, and robbers?
Do you have any idea how many things are now considered felonies?? There's plenty of stuff on that list that isn't even inherently morally wrong.

 

They have already and they will continue, but not likely the way you wish.

Yes, at some point when our full Constitutional rights are restored there will be no need to continue.

Yes, thank God things can change, just like we have recently experienced-- getting out of the ignorant hoplophobic repression we've allowed to take place.

The Constitution was all that was needed to set the "norm" of gun ownership for the generations of the first 200 years. Thanks to the idiocy of the decades of hoplophobic repression of law abiding gun owners, the USSC has saw fit to put an end to that madness and has set the "norm" for generations to come.

And it has. The difference between your hopes and gun owners reality is that the will and concerted effort for improvement by gun owners was in fact a REAL improvement to society and backed by the US Constitution as opposed to your imaginary utopia with no basis in facts. Inalienable rights trump man-made laws every time.

 

It's quite a task reading through 65+ pages of thread, so apologies in advance if I repeat arguments already raised.

I recall in the Gun Control Section there is a thread called "Ending the myth that America is a more dangerous place because of Gun Ownership" which I think captions the perspective I want to bring across. On the outside looking in, based on how these events play out in the media and even extrapolating the difference between "gun-nut" and "gun-grabber" perspectives from this forum.... there is no doubt that there is something tangible here that needs to be addressed, not swept under the rug.

Let me try and itemize 2 angles I see this playing out:
1. Police - Public Interactions
We see these cop-civilian altercations play out way too often, glorified on the media outlets. But where is this police mindset even stemming from? The mindset where any civilian interaction is has the potential to yield fatal outcomes. The mindset where police officers are constantly on the alert in the event that a gun (or any weapon) can come into the equation and drastically change the status quo.
My take is that, this current atmosphere of concealed carry and easily accessible firepower means that any civilian effectively has a tool within reach that can end an officers life. Cops know that a simple traffic stop could be a case where the occupant has a firearm... and as always... they approach the scene with hand on holster, expecting the worst.
When did it get like this? When did it transition from officers approaching with batons and big flashlights to having a firearm always at the ready and expecting the worst?
Worse still, I have seen quotes on here mentioning that people would have no problem shooting a police officer should they cross certain boundaries, e.g. trespass on property.
When you operate in an atmosphere where it is likely that everybody owns a firearm, yet you can't be sure if the person you are interacting with has one within reach or can't be sure if an interaction can turn from friendly to deadly with the drop of a hat.... then what we end up with a tense climate.... effectively a recipe for disaster.

2. Gangbangers and Suicides
Pro 2nd Ammendment supporters will state that the majority of gun-related incidents stem from criminal gangbangers in poverty stricken areas and also from suicide attempts. And rightly so, these could very be the source of the exponentially higher statistics.
But some fundamental questions need to be asked if we are to dismiss these statistics.
Gangbangers can come in all flavours of minority races, but at the end of the day, are they not Americans too?
Are they not protected under the same second amendment that rational gun owners also site?
Prior to a suicide / homicide, don't these individual possess a firearm for self preservation just like any other rational gun owner, why should it matter how the gun was acquired?
In saying all of that, there seems to be some resistance to gun-control measures.
Background checks to at least size up if an individuals appears to have the mental fortitude and air of responsibility in handling a tool of such calibre.
Greater border controls to stem the bottleneck the inflow of illegal firearms.
Steeper entry requirements to ensure that the type of person opting to carry a firearm has the committment and capacity to effectively use a firearm to the best of its ability.
Counter arguments on the forum seem to be centered around a lack of support services to address the interpersonal issues
For instance, better mental healthcare facilities to tend to unstable individuals
Or better gang-crime division to tackle organized crime factions.
But solutions never seem to be centered around the tool itself.

I probably did not articulate the points very well, seemed to have muddled up multiple points under a single head.
At the end of the day, the statistics show that there is something here to be talked about. Constantly yelling "gun-grabber" or "gun nut" while gun-related crimes seem to soar over other first world countries does nothing more than ducking one's head in the sand whilst a fundamental American mindset plays out the narrative of a dangerous country.

 

Only time will tell.

 

Time has spoken...So has the USSC, you lost.

My money is on an ideal that has existed for over 200 years and not some persons opinion.

 

Everything changes.