Voter Fraud - Please Explain

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is not possible to suppress voters who know their voting rights. I suggest those who know, teach those who do not know such rights. Back in 1965 I believe, laws were passed to make sure we were not suppressed.

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    First, I don't believe California would charge a Mexican for fraud if our lives depended on it. Here, they are actively protecting the illegals.
     
  2. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    People in our state, California government to be clear, seem to not mind the illegals here. They protect them in ways that are better than how they protect citizens. Citizens breaking federal laws get turned over to the Feds in an instant. But if you are illegal, those get protected. Naturally this means Mexicans feel they have a right to vote though not even citizens.
     
  3. shades

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    which is exactly why Trump won,
    America is tired of this illegal activity, propped up by state governments finding ways to turn illegals into votes

    And even the legitimate latina voter sees this and is voting Republican. So there's hope.
     
  4. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    The true believing paranoids who pleasure themselves with fantasies of millions of illegal dastards stampeding to polling places to cast bogus ballots - every single one against them, of course - cannot escape the necessity of producing the empirical data that rational folks demand.

    So many Republican Secretaries of State and Attorneys General eager to prosecute, so little evidence. If there are "millions" of illegal voters, why can't they be identified?

    Watch the feeble attempt to make the fantasy reality by one of the crackpot notion's virulent zealots:

    [video=youtube;1tkqizxhmFI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=11&v=1tkqizxhmFI[/video]

    [video=youtube;jqlbJg1w564]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqlbJg1w564[/video]​

    They have a month to make their ideological confection credible.

    We can check back then..
     
  5. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    During the recount Michigan did not find that the number of votes exceeded the number of registered voters. I don't know where this nonsense originated but it was never true.

    http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/05/recount-unrecountable/95007392/

    The problem was with the old voting machine printouts, not with the actual vote of the ballots, that didn't match the poll books that people sign when they show up at the polls to vote.

    This had nothing to do with more votes being cast than registered voters and it didn't indicate any voter fraud.

    The claim that there is a "lack of enforcement mechanisms to identify and prosecute in-person voter fraud" is also false. Both voter registration fraud (i.e. ineligible people registering to vote) and election fraud are both heavily investigated and prosecuted by the election boards. The election boards receive both state and federal funding explicitly for the purpose of identifying and prosecuting voter registration and election fraud cases.

    Kansas recently identified six cases of people registered in two states voting in both states and successfully prosecuted those cases. The states are cross-checking the voting to ensure against it happening but it is very rare. People when moving rarely notify the election board from the state they leave that they're moving from to remove them from the registration roles but they don't go back to vote there either. I was registered in both WA (that I moved from) and AZ (that I moved to) in 2016 but I sure as hell wasn't going to drive back to WA to cast a second illegal vote.

    Texas just successfully prosecuted a woman that was a non-citizen that voted. It wasn't hard for Texas to identify her and successfully prosecute her.

    It isn't that the states have any real difficulty in identifying people that multiple vote or that register and are ineligible to vote. The states do it all of the time. What we know is that it's just so rare that it doesn't effect any elections. Every study done reflects the fact that voter fraud simply isn't a problem and there's a reason for that.

    There just isn't a rational motive to commit election fraud because it won't change the election results.
     
  6. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I enjoy telling the true story of Jesus. Not of the ancient days, but of today.

    My niece married an illegal Mexican once he became a citizen, or perhaps earlier. I have to call her to find out.

    Anyway, Jesus was lucky for Reagan since that made it possible for him to be a US Citizen.

    Jesus and I were talking this over when Obama was booting out illegals. I asked him what he would do, as a US citizen, over the illegals. Jesus had been the boss over road construction gangs. The depression hit him hard and he was out of work most of the time. Well, his comment surprised me.

    Jesus looked me in the eye and told me they must be deported. I says, hey you came here illegally. Yes he says, but today i am a US citizen. Shove them out of California. :roflol:
     
  7. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Too bad you guys claim voter suppression. And yet you never prove it takes place.

    Not using the same standards you impose on Trump or Kobach!!!!
     
  8. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Alleged: 3,000,000,000 Illegal voters

    Fact: 33 States have Republican Governors, 33 have Republican Secretaries of State, 27 have Republican Attorneys General

    Even a meagre 1% rate of prosecutions nationally would result in 3,000,000 cases.

    Even if a hyper-partisan were to fantasize that all Democrats are complicit in a vast conspiracy to ignore all illegal voters, are all 33 Republican Governors, 33 Republican Secretaries of State, and 27 Attorney Generals so woefully incompetent?

    The most rabid true believer in the nation in prosecuting illegal voters is Kris Kobach of Kansas.

    How successful has he been in bringing to justice those of America's 3 million illegal voters who perpetrate their vile perversion in Kansas?


    4 down, 299,999,996 to go!

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  9. DOconTEX

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    In 2000 and 2004, more in certain inner city Philadelphia precincts, more ballots were counted than there were registered voters in the precincts. All ballots were cast 100% for the Democrat. John Fund's books mentioned above will reveal to the unbelieving how voter fraud happens. Read the books and get back to us rather than screaming that it didn't happen.

    Project Veritas has a number of videos in which their operatives went into precincts without voter ID requirements and asked for ballots and received in the name of dead people. One of them went into Eric Holder's district and asked for his ballot and was given the ballot.

    True the Vote was founded to discover and illuminate voter fraud in Texas and has gone nationwide. They found 25,000 fraudulent voter registrations in Houston before one of the recent elections. Now why would there be, say, 12 people registered at the address of a vacant lot if there wasn't intent to commit voter fraud?

    A real gold mine for fraudsters is mail in ballots. A Dallas city council candidate was convicted of having operatives going to nursing homes, getting the mail in ballots of residents, and filling them in for himself.

    Why do Democrats fight so hard to stop voter ID and other measures to stop voter fraud? The question answers itself.
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Please provide a link to your evidence. The same fraudulent claim was made in Ohio and exposed: http://www.politifact.com/ohio/stat...-petition-claims-obama-got-more-votes-one-co/

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/2012fraud.asp

     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Again, 33 States have Republican Governors, 33 have Republican Secretaries of State, 27 have Republican Attorneys General

    If 3-5 million illegals vote, are all 33 Republican Governors, 33 Republican Secretaries of State, and 27 Attorney Generals so woefully incompetent?
     
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    You asked, 4) Which do you think is more likely?

    1.There is a decades old massive secret conspiracy where millions of people, including illegals already frighteningly living in the shadows, are individually each risking felony charges and federal prison to cast single illegal votes, or...

    What a boat load of bull(*)(*)(*)(*), no illegal has been "frighteningly living in the shadows" for the last 25 years, and if they were they're criminals.
    Even your messiah has encouraged illegals to vote.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQKAz7l5Es4
    Taken from public records.
    https://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/2015/pdf/VoterFraudCases-8-7-15-Merged.pdf
    http://dailysignal.com/2015/08/11/nearly-300-cases-the-extent-of-voter-fraud-in-america/
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS3rO0jnq2I
     
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    lemmiwinx Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm beginning to understand now - Russians spies put on blackface makeup and were allowed to cast votes for Trump in Michigan and Wisconsin. Now Hillary's reduced to making sympathy appearances on The View.

    Could it be Russians influencing our elections is a good thing?
     
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    Not if the illegal votes are concentrated in the heavily blue states. Recall that factoid so beloved of loser Democrats that Hillary won the popular vote. That was because of the majorities she got in California, home to millions and millions of illegal aliens. The rest of the country had an approximate 1.4 million vote surplus for Trump.
     
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    I would argue that urban citizens of the USA are upset primarily because the party in charge thinks farmers in Wyoming are more important and critical to our nation. How many times have we seen right wingers claim that they consider California and New York unamerican or at best unworthy of equal treatment? Sorry, but this is about cities v mayberry rfd.
     
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    Yes, the hyper-partisan pathological denial that demands an excuse, however ludicrous, for 3-5 million more Americans voting for Clinton would require such a silly explanation. 33 Republican governors, 33 Republican secretaries of state, and 27 Republican attorneys general being unable to find more than a handful of the vast hoard of coordinated conspirators necessitates imagining that they must all be "somewhere else"! Ideally, where the vast, hyper-partisan conspiracy is totally unimpeded.

    :roflol:

    Four of the 3-5 million inadvertently stumbled into Kansas!


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    So our voter ID laws and enforcement of law are having some success. Not, however, in blue areas where illegal voting is enabled and encouraged. You know, like blue states for whom the rule of law is the rule of whatever works to elect Democrats.
     
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    Tell me how you screen for in person voter fraud if you don't ask for photo ID?
     
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    Honestly, it's the left saying Russia hacked the election. Trump won the election, why would his supporters be complaining about voter fraud?

    I heard people crying about the electoral college, but that was from the left as well. Requiring Identification isn't outlandish. I have to show ID to perchase a gun and that's a right.
     
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    The most vigilant voter scrutiny in the nation, in Kansas, exposed the vast conspiracy of four.

    You see! Hyper-partisan paranoia can be quite mirthful!

    Of course with no actual evidence of a vast conspiracy, there is no indication how the imaginary voters voted, and one can fancy that Putin furthered Russia's interests by planting his agents to vote his way!

    Line at a polling place in Michigan:

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    It's the left saying that the election was hacked.
     
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    I have no idea who your "left' is, but the CIA, FBI. and NSA have uncovered Putin's conspiracy to elect Trump to further Russia's interests.

    At least, we know who your "left" must be in this instance:

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    "The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy!"
    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)​
     
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    You care about people by calling for them to be beaten and harassed and destroying property ?

    Why do you guys always end with the same old BS now we are peasants . You may never win another election if you keep that up. Im an independent and didnt vote for Trump but you guys are pushing me further and further to his side
     
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    A NH Republican has offered $1,000 to any crackpot who swallows the poo poo of Trumpery (that vast hoards of fraudulent voters befoul his state) who can prove their fantasy.

     
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    The lily White Russians in those swing states posed as white red necks who had never voted before, and every one of them voted for Trump. The only English they knew was "lock her up"...Their presence was obvious at every Trump ralley down the stretch....I saw them, didn't you?
     

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