Want to live 10 years longer?

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    It sounds like you've got a good understanding of health issues & I agree with what you say.
    Because I've lived my life fully if not wisely and always been able to succeed in physical undertakings like bicycle racing, wrestling, boxing etc while concurrently embracing a Bacchanalian lifestyle, I find myself almost 70 years old with cancer, chronic heart issues, 2 aging hip replacements & an impressive inventory of chronic, degenerative orthopedic & neurological conditions that include Charcot joint syndrome (a foot disorder).

    Briefly put, I don't see any significant muscle mass building in the immediate future as the days of bench pressing 450 lbs are long over.
    I still exercise, do some blacksmithing & walk as long as I can stand it.
    Any other suggestions for a Scratch n' Dent old Vet.?
     
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    I'm sorry to hear that. Maybe you could use some light weights, even a couple of heavy hammers, to help work the upper body a bit; just 5 or 10 pounds. Isolation exercises with light weights are good for all ages. Beyond that I assume you are on a highly controlled diet now? The only other thought is that Ketogenic diets are being used for cancer treatment. But with chronic heart issues that may not be an option. It couldn't hurt to ask the doc if it might help. Keto is known to be anti-cancer [there is even evidence it can cure some cancers] and help with negative effects of cancer treatments.
     
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    maybe, the title of longest living person is still a smoker, so I do not know that you can say everyone that smokes lives 10 years less, some may even get stress relief from smoking, thus live longer, who knows

    maybe you mean with the new government mandated cigarettes that require carpet glue be added to them

    just like the sun, too much smoking can be bad for you.... everything in moderation

    I will say excessive intake of sugar is far far worse for you

    ironically many smokers that quit become obese due to replacing the habit with high sugar foods
     
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    Here is a great trick for increasing testosterone levels: Any equivalent of wind sprints. They always talk about lifting heavy, but high reps with light weights to your absolute limit, and wind sprints having a duration of about 10 seconds, have been shown to help increase testosterone levels. They also emphasize that you want to completely recover between sprints or lifts. The rule of thumb is that the rest period should be at least 3 or 4 times the duration of the exertion period. Moving to different muscle groups counts as a rest period. :D

    This is also good because it allows you to increase T while cutting fat. If lifting heavy you have to eat for it. And you can't cut and bulk at the same time. But you can cut and increase T at the same time.

    I was stuck for a time because I kept reading about lifting heavy weights for increasing testosterone levels. But I injured and kept re-injuring my shoulder that way. The other thing is that runners high! Every time I hurt myself it was because I got an intense runners high [lifting weights] and kept pushing when I should have stopped. You literally don't know you're hurting yourself.

    Extended running or similar tend to reduce testosterone levels. This has been shown to be true in long-distance runners and is reflected in their very low muscle mass. So keep it short. When I first started on the elliptical, I was going an hour straight. That's the default for built-in programs. But my gf pointed out that is bad! After 20-30 minutes of HIIT or continuous high exertion, you start burning muscle. So I go 30 minutes, with about 7 minutes being for warm up and warm down.
     
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    I take moderation in moderation. :D
     
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    You’re going to live your life by exception rather then legitimate medical conclusion ? Best of luck. Hope you beat the odds. Just remember this conversation during your first chemo treatment which is much more likely then any other outcome.
    Excessive intake of sugar is worse ? I guess it depends upon how much intake you’re taking about. You need significant “sugar” in the form of carbohydrates as energy just to survive . You need nothing found in cigarettes, even in moderation.
    Cigarettes ALREADY contain the ingredients found in carpet glue. You’re already consuming it. No greater amounts are needed to make cigs less of a fire hazard. Google the research.
     
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    I “like” these comparisons. It sounds like an argument that one bad health habit is better then another. I didn’t know we had to make a choice between suffering and dying earlier because of smoking or choosing a sedentary life style. Why not do both. You can then die really early. The most rediculous fakse choice is by those who think they can exercise their way out of smoking related diseases.
     
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    It isn't a false choice. It isn't even a choice. Both are bad. The point is, there are plenty of people who think smoking or not smoking is the end all. It isn't. It is one high-risk factor out of many. Diabetes can kill you long before smoking does. And a sedentary lifestyle can kill you long before smoking does.

    So please keep your hysterical words out of my mouth.
     
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    The age-adjusted death rate for lung cancer is higher for men (51.7 per 100,000 persons) than for women (34.7 per 100,000 persons).
    http://www.lung.org/lung-health-and.../resource-library/lung-cancer-fact-sheet.html

    https://www.livescience.com/3093-smoking-myths-examined.html

    23 times the risk mean that smokers have about a 49/100,000 chance of getting lung cancer. Which actually suggests about a 5% risk.
     
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    Live ten years longer.

    Drink lots of coffee. Less heart disease and diabetes. Treats Bronchitis, Asthma, COPD too
    Smoke lots of :weed:. Less diabetes and less cancer too.
    Oh and modest alcohol for the heart.


    Jogging on the other hand does not increase longevity one day.
    It does improve quality of life.
    But so does coffee, :weed: and modest alcohol with other benefits :woot:


    Moi :oldman:



    Beef is 3 of the 4 major Food Groups.
    Chocolate is the 4th.
    Everything else is miscellaneous.
     
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    Yes, take up swimming and exercising in the pool. It is actually possible to build muscle mass using pool exercises even if it isn't the bulk that you will get with weights. The benefits of the pool are that it won't place any stress on your hips and feet. Using a support belt and bungie ties you can tether yourself to the edge in the deep end and run without any impact at all. Runners with lower limb injuries use this method to maintain fitness while recovering. Swimming laps builds up both heart and lungs and increases stamina. Getting more blood and oxygen means all of your organs will be healthier and less prone to degeneration. If you have access to a heated pool then you can do this all year round. Doesn't hurt to try it so essentially you have nothing to lose by doing so. Personally I recommend it because it has literally given me a whole new lease on life and I am in my mid 60's with a hip replacement that limits my exercise options.
     
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    Focusing on ONLY one kind of smoking related disease makes no sense. My own father smoked his entire adult life and died from a heart attack that was as a result of Emphysema which was caused by his smoking.

    The reality is that smokers lose an entire decade of their lives and they lose quality of life before they die.

    https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_st...h_effects/tobacco_related_mortality/index.htm

    Instead of looking at the exceptions the reality is that smoking is bad for your health and the longer you smoke the worse it gets.

    We only get one body and one life. Yes, we do have the right to do with it as we see fit but there is literally no excuse nowadays for someone who smokes to claim that they did not know that they are literally putting their own life and health on the line every time they light up another cigarette.
     
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    “And, a sedentary life style can kill you long before smoking.......”
    Give a reference so we can see where it came from and reveal the context of each. Doubling down on a false choice doesn’t help.
     
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    Exactly. Smoking extends to a variety of illnesses. Not only that, but it makes recovery from most others linked to other causes, more difficult. ( even injuries due to accidents) There is also little reason to argue that moderation in smoking is less harmful. It may be statistically true, but it’s like playing Russian roulette with fewer bullets in the cylinder as results if you do get a cigarette related illness, are still just as devastating.
     
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    Thanks for taking the time to compose a very thoughtful, informative & what sounds like a very efficacious exercise program.
    I have tried swimming but in the past the twisting motion has only inflamed my particular lower back condition. However, your mentioning the use of a support brace & bungie ties is a creative sounding method that I have not tried. I realize that you meant to use the support brace & bungie ties to duplicate running but I will also try swimming with the support brace.
    Many people have simply suggested swimming as an alternative exercise but no one has mentioned swimming with a back brace before.

    Unfortunately, I have open wounds on my Charcot foot & have been told to avoid pools etc because the cancer makes one more susceptible to infection which, as you know is especially harmful for people with artificial hips*.

    I am grateful for your excellent advice and will head to a nearby pool with my attendant, elastic accouterments as soon as my foot wounds clear up. In the meantime, I'll stick with the painless, aerobic exercises developed by a personal trainer/physical therapist.

    Thanks again for your kind, thoughtful & creative suggestions.

    * Have you been advised to take antibiotics just before dental visits to avoid infection in your artificial hip?
     
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    Before you go to the expense of buying a back brace you might only need to change your breathing method. During freestyle the most common way to harm the lower back is to "breathe forward" which means lifting your entire head up to breathe which arches the lower back. Learning how to side breathe eliminates that arching and if you opt for a snorkel you don't even need that much movement. One of the tricks that I use is to count my strokes so that I know when I am reaching the end of the pool without having to look up. Flip turns are also a bad idea.

    https://swimisca.org/7-ways-to-reduce-swimming-low-back-pain/

    There are also experts in water exercise therapy that can advise you on methods to avoid hurting yourself while exercising. Your local pool can probably put you in touch with them in your area. When I hurt my upper arm moving my own trainer showed me how to use KT tape. It meant that I did not need a sling and I could continue my water exercise routine and swimming. I must have worn the tape constantly for about 3 weeks (changing it out every couple of days) but afterwards it was as if I never injured my arm at all. So that might be an alternative to a back brace.



    Yes, I do take antibiotics before going to the dentist because of my hip.
     
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    Thanks for your time & advice.
    I didn't mean to leave the impression that I've got one foot in the grave because in spite of bleak sounding list of maladies, I'm far better off than I was 10 years ago, am quite active & consider myself extremely lucky.
    My wife hired a personal trainer/physical therapist who, over a few weeks, developed an exercise program that has proven very helpful that involve light weights (how embarrassing ) & aerobic exercises. Unfortunately he moved out of state & I have to rely on my own willpower to maintain a work out routine.
    Actually, my diet is not very controlled but since my wife went to chef school for 8 months in NYC, loves to cook & we have an extensive garden with homegrown herbs, spices, vegetables etc, I eat better than anyone else I know. She only buys organic/grass fed meat & since I retired from "Professional Power Drinking", I only drink very little (1-2 glasses, 3 times a week at the most). Pizza also figures pretty prominently into my diet about twice a week.
    So far my cancer (CLL) is pretty well under control and I still have 1 1/2 kidneys however I'm not familiar with Ketogenic diets but will look into it.
    As I mentioned, I feel that the quality of life is more important than the quantity of life. Since the quality of life includes being in in reasonably good health, I'll look into Keto & stick to an exercise program.
    In the meantime, it's a beautiful day & I've got a party to go to soon.
    Thanks, again, for your very sensible recommendations & concern.
     
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    Glad to hear that you are in good hands and being "sensible"! ;)

    Enjoy the party and take care.

    DT
     
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    From the driver’s seat to the office chair and then the couch at home, Americans are spending more time seated than ever, and researchers say it’s wreaking havoc on our bodies. The Los Angeles Times recently interviewed Dr. James Levine, director of the Mayo Clinic-Arizona State University Obesity Solutions Initiative and inventor of the treadmill desk. Levine has been studying the adverse effects of our increasingly sedentary lifestyles for years and has summed up his findings in two sentences.

    “Sitting is more dangerous than smoking, kills more people than HIV and is more treacherous than parachuting. We are sitting ourselves to death.[/quote]
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-active-times/sitting-is-the-new-smokin_b_5890006.html

    Sedentary behavior increases the risk of certain cancers
    JNCI: Journal of the National Cancer Institute, Volume 106, Issue 7, 1 July 2014, dju206, https://doi.org/10.1093/jnci/dju206
    Published:
    14 June 2014


    It is well known that obesity and sedentary behavior coexist and that both are associated with cardiovascular disease (CVD) in women. Data from the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) show that in areas of the United States where rates of obesity are higher than 30% (Fig. 1), the prevalence of adults who report no leisure-time physical activity is also higher than 30% (Fig. 2). Likewise, the prevalence of obesity and physical inactivity predicts the presence of CVD death (Fig. 3). To highlight the association between the 3 conditions, one can nearly superimpose these 3 maps from the CDC.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3384027/

    How does not moving regularly take a toll on our healthy lifestyle? The WHO – World Health Organization estimates that lack of physical activity is associated with approximately 3.2 million deaths a year and a lot of health issues such as:

    • Anxiety
    • Migraines
    • Cardiovascular disease
    • Breast cancer
    • Depression
    • Colon cancer
    • Diabetes
    • Gout
    • Spinal disc herniation
    • Lipid disorders
    • High blood pressure
    • Skin problems such as hair loss
    • Obesity
    • Mortality in adults
    • Osteoporosis
    • Scoliosis
    Let us now learn about the massive health hazards due to physical inactivity
    https://www.inlifehealthcare.com/2017/02/26/what-do-you-know-about-a-sedentary-lifestyle/

    Now please cut the crap and stop lying about what I said. I specifically stated that it isn't a false choice. Smoking is bad and so is a sedentary lifestyle.

    If you have an obesity problem and just have it out for smokers. Fine. But admit it.
     
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    I have never argued that smoking isn't a significant health risk factor. I said it was. We ALL know that.
     
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    I nearly ended it all but stopped when I thought about having sex with hot women. THAT was worth living for at least a little longer. So I made that my mission in life beginning with about six months in Reno.

    So I have to say that three things gave me my life back
    1) Keto
    2) Rigorous Exercise
    3) High-end escorts.

    And in terms of significance, you would have to reverse the order. I thought my life was over at 40. I was just waiting to die and well on my way. But a dozen years later, including six months of escorts and six years of sugar babies,I feel younger than when I was 35.

    I not speaking to men that are happily married or at least dedicated to a marriage. But for those who are alone or miserable and growing old before their time, I can say with confidence that beautiful young women are the fountain of youth. At this point in my life I find them absolutely intoxicating. Beauty takes on a much deeper meaning than ever before. You appreciate it so much more than when you we are young. And the effects are quantifiable as well as subjective.

    Beyond my dramatic rebound in health, which was driven by my desire for sex and beauty, in many ways I'm ten years younger than I was ten years ago, and that's a fact! And other sugar daddies agree. I remember one who was interviewed on a CNN documentary about the sugar world. One guy had been with his sb for something like 20 years. At one point he looked into the camera with a profound stare and said, "It keeps you young. It REALLY does!". That hit me like a truck because I was coming to believe the same thing. I consider my sugar baby to be as important as food and water. She is food for my soul. She helps me maintain a zest for life and the desire to push myself. So I look for one I can truly love, and who can at least care deeply about me, and make the most of every moment.

    I literally credit escorts with saving my life. In my darkest hour, when I was ready to end it all, the thought of escorts and sex stopped me. I had given up on a sex life long ago, with my wife. I had never considered such a thing or even cheating, but suddenly the idea exploded into my head [just before a bullet nearly did] - I could be in Reno in a matter of hours. Hot women! Grrrrrrrrrrr!!!!! There is no doubt about it! Sex is a powerful motivator!!!

    Learning to live in the moment was also key. Life is nothing but a series of moments. This moment, right now, is all that you ever really have. THAT is life. So make it count.
     
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    All diet discussion is predicated on a normal body weight (ie, slender to thin .. which is the human default).

    Meantime, I don't eat between 6pm and 6am. Is that what you refer to as a fast? Because it really isn't. It's sleep time.
     
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    Smokers often do both. Sit down, AND smoke.
     
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    Smoking is profoundly stupid. But it has one benefit, it advertises itself openly .. giving us an early warning on who to avoid befriending.
     
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    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-active-times/sitting-is-the-new-smokin_b_5890006.html

    Sedentary behavior increases the risk of certain cancers
    JNCI: Journal of the National Cancer Institute, Volume 106, Issue 7, 1 July 2014, dju206, https://doi.org/10.1093/jnci/dju206
    Published:
    14 June 2014


    It is well known that obesity and sedentary behavior coexist and that both are associated with cardiovascular disease (CVD) in women. Data from the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) show that in areas of the United States where rates of obesity are higher than 30% (Fig. 1), the prevalence of adults who report no leisure-time physical activity is also higher than 30% (Fig. 2). Likewise, the prevalence of obesity and physical inactivity predicts the presence of CVD death (Fig. 3). To highlight the association between the 3 conditions, one can nearly superimpose these 3 maps from the CDC.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3384027/

    How does not moving regularly take a toll on our healthy lifestyle? The WHO – World Health Organization estimates that lack of physical activity is associated with approximately 3.2 million deaths a year and a lot of health issues such as:

    • Anxiety
    • Migraines
    • Cardiovascular disease
    • Breast cancer
    • Depression
    • Colon cancer
    • Diabetes
    • Gout
    • Spinal disc herniation
    • Lipid disorders
    • High blood pressure
    • Skin problems such as hair loss
    • Obesity
    • Mortality in adults
    • Osteoporosis
    • Scoliosis
    Let us now learn about the massive health hazards due to physical inactivity
    https://www.inlifehealthcare.com/2017/02/26/what-do-you-know-about-a-sedentary-lifestyle/

    Now please cut the crap and stop lying about what I said. I specifically stated that it isn't a false choice. Smoking is bad and so is a sedentary lifestyle.

    If you have an obesity problem and just have it out for smokers. Fine. But admit it.[/QUOTE]
    Oh, now you’re throwing in obesity. That is NOT your original premise. Obesity does NOT follow a sedentary lifestyle if a person eats well and does normal daily chores and lives in “certain areas” according to the study. They coexist with many because of poor eating habits in cities and towns with limited access to the right diets. Generally speaking, a sedentary lifestyle that is not complicated by other issues ranks fourth in health factors. Smoking is number one.....
    Let’s not confuse this with obesity and bad eating habits.
    This is why studies are complicated. I have no problems with sedentary life style contributing to worse health simply because nearly as much blood flow is moved by the skeletal muscles as is by the heart, that’s why activity in general is so important.

    But for you to exagerate and declare living a “ sedentary life style will kill you long before smoking” or is “many times” more likely to kill you then smoking is FALSE.

    The exaggeration without context is wrong. There are a many who eat well, do not engage in formal leisure time activities who live a long time. That is the norm for those who eat well. Read your own reference. It references particular areas, and does not conclude that smokers live a long time more then sedentary people and sedentary people are many times more likely to die. . That’s you mischaracterizing the study.
     

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