I have pointed a gun at a man, and I've fired shots in the general direction of others. The big idea was to make it clear that they needed to go away, and quickly. It worked. In every case, they were endangering me or other people. My use of my guns made it possible for me to keep from having to kill anyone, or get killed. When I'm on my own time, in my own car, I carry any number of guns, knives, "flame producing articles" and other tools of many kinds. It doesn't mean that I intend to shoot anyone, or anything, or even take the guns out to look at them. It only means that I have them if the need arises for a gun. There have been times when I have found an animal by the road that had been hit by a car, and had no chance of recovery. I used a gun to dispatch those poor beasts. I have 2 spare tires with me, all the time. It doesn't mean that I intend to get 2 flats, every time I set out to go somewhere. There has been one time when I had 3 flats, and had to call a tow truck. Drat! I have shovels in the car, right there with the rifles, and a pair of photographic tripods. Hammers. Steel grade stakes. Food. Clothing. Camping equipment. Water. I have all of this stuff, all of the time. It doesn't mean that I intend to use any of it. If I go out to a place where I've never been, I will likely use most of it. The point of having all this junk is that I am FREE to do so. By my possession and use of this stuff, I will remain FREE to do so. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it, if your nanny allows you to. Oh. And I've been pulled over at different times. Of course, I let the officer know that there are guns in the car. This has NEVER, EVER resulted in a negative response from the cop. It's all about how you present yourself, and what sort of MAN you have made of yourself. The cop can see, straightaway, whose side I'm on. Responsible gun owners have nothing to fear from the police.
There are studies on the relationship between Democrat party controlled areas and crime. This will point you in the right direction http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/01/guns_dont_kill_people_democrats_kill_people.html It links to some studies that show homicides are correlated to Democrat voting precincts, from the article: This indicates that almost 80% of the firearm homicides that were committed in Louisiana took place in voting precincts that gave President Obama more than 50% of the vote. The percentage of firearm homicides that occurred in similar Democrat voting precincts in Virginia and Minnesota were even higher. Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2014...ople_democrats_kill_people.html#ixzz3Ho1UIg2l
So you object to a person having the ability to take a life and whether they exercise that ability or not is not a factor? Better ban cars, medications, poison, pools, bathtubs, knives, even hospitals. You must live in terror.
then give us the keys to your car, surrender your dog to authorities, and give up all knives, forks, cleaning agents, Gotta pool? you've still failed to prove anything at all, as usual.... just a lot of chest thumping and caterwauling.........give it up dude, you've not only lost this debate, you have crossed the line into extremism/land of fantasy............buy any unicorns lately?
I do. Well, not exactly. They're far too restrictive at the Federal level, and most of the state regulations are too stringent also.
There are those who would like to say that you had to search pretty hard to pick those cherries. Let me preclude that by making it clear that these cherries are the ones that fell into your lap.
I (legally, with a permit) carry a gun most times I leave my house. The VERY LAST thing I want to do is to use it on someone. It would emotionally destroy me knowing I had killed someone, even if I was legally, ethically, and morally justified in doing so. But, if it comes down to me or them, and only one of us is going to live through it, I hope it will be me. I'll have to deal with the emotional consequences, which will not be easy, but I'd rather deal with that than dealing with be buried before my time.
A person breaks into my house when I'm home and has a large kitchen knife. What do I use to protect me, my wife, and my 2 young sons? What if it's a gun instead of a knife? I can't speak for the rest of the world, but everyday in the USA calls to 911 are not answered or the person is put on hold. (google it, there are far to many to hyperlink here.) The average response time to a 911 call in the USA is 10 minutes, but the average crime takes 90 secs. I ask again what is a person to do other than be a good victim and hopefully a good witness if they live through the encounter?
This notion that intent to kill precedes the purchase of a firearm just doesn't fly. There are too many other things that we do with them. I own three Glock pistols, all in 9mm. It's true that they could be used as offensive weapons, but that would take a really big stretch. Society would have to have been altered to the point where some people were trying to organize against other organized people in some kind of warfare. Then, if I were alive, I *might* participate in some kind of offensive use of my Glocks. Otherwise, my fascination is with reloading. 9mm is a fascinating cartridge when you use an efficiency formula that I dreamt up in comparison to other calibers. I use 8 gr. of Blue Dot to attain 500 ft./lbs. muzzle energy with a 124 gr. bullet from a 6" barrel. To equal that in .357 Mag., I'd have to use 14 gr. of Blue Dot. My little formula is a simple matter of how much energy is developed from each grain of powder. I do that in comparing rifle calibers as well. My use of guns in this manner is no more dangerous than messing with model airplanes, or drones. I have 3 different Ruger 10/.22 rifles, modified to different levels of weight and accuracy. Rimfire accuracy is a great game to play, and it can be as casual or "scientific" as you make it. Most of us are familiar with the expression: "Shootin' the s**t. It's amusing to know where that started. There used to be a group of old gun guys who had a casual range up behind the Capitol building in Salt Lake City. This group included John Moses Browning, and Parker O. Ackley. They were messin' with their .22 target rifles one day when one of the guys had a big idea. He grabbed a target, and walked around for a bit. He found a place where some animal had defecated, and wiped that stuff on the back of the target. Then he posted the target at 25 yards, with the "dirty" side showing. The idea was to wait until flies started walking around on the target. Each man would shoot in turn. A perfect hit was one where both wings remained on the target, and the rest of the bug was gone. Well, that's the kind of heritage that we American Shooters get all warm and fuzzy about, and you can't find one thing wrong with that. I have a bunch of guns, to include an AR15 and an AK47, but I don't own a single weapon. Nothing is a weapon until and unless it is used as such. If some clown were to break in on me here and convince me that I had to defend myself from him, I would have to grab whatever I could get to first. My fax machine is right there, in easy reach. If I use that to conk him over the head, it's a weapon. Shucks! I forgot to use a gun!
A lot of people have failed in the past and will continue to fail. (to kill that is ...) So, what you are saying is that if someone decides to attack someone, to rob, to rape or just assault for no reason, they should be able to do it without fear of getting hurt or killed. So what about the victim? No, it is not plain. You guys are all the same Because the gun owners want everyone to have the right to defend themselves, automatically you say we want everyone armed all the time. No the only ones that should be armed are the gun owners who have had education and training and can legally own a firearm. Now they would have the right to carry for self defense with a firearm if they choose to . It would be a choice . I do not know anyone who puts their gun on in the morning and goes out each day planning to kill someone.. The plan is not to have to use it. How many unarmed people go out every day thinking that nothing bad will happen to them yet they end up at hospital because of an assault or rape or worse yet killed? You choose not to defend yourself.. that is your choice.
And your point is......what? That facts are not facts? The studies exist, I have created OP's about them on this forum before (right here in the gun control section). The correlation between "progressive" policies of gun control and violence are clear.
Wow. I have to keep reminding you that we're on the same side. My point is that you weren't trying to present anything out of context, or alter any meanings. The truth is self evident as you present it, and for those who are NOT pushing a ******* agenda. That's why I said that you didn't have to cherry pick. It wasn't necessary, because the right minded truth just falls into ones' lap.
No your latent intent is simply to shoot the bad guys just like they do in the movies. I sense amongst many here an almost desperation to be a victim of crime so that you can be like Dirty Harry wield your gun and those punks will then have 'made your day' Its really sad
Well again citing good ole Dirty Harry . 'Opinions are like a**holes everybodys got one' There's one or two here who are rather disturbingly more like Travis Bickle frankly
You choose to be sad. I filled up half of the previous page with much to the contrary of what you say. It's very odd to me that you have formed an opinion of things that you can't do, and then projected that opinion as what we intend to do.
I do not doubt that many do believe that of themselves. The sheer number of people killed by someone they know tends to count against it though. These sort of killings vastly outweighs any legitimate defensive use of a firearm.
The most recent beheading I read about in the US.... Wait. The last 2 were committed by 1.) A son who killed his mom, and 2.) An angry former employee. Knives were the only weapon used. As for people being killed by someone they know.... There are many ways for one person to anger another, but people who know each-other are most aware of where the buttons are, and how to push them. You're leading us back down that well worn path of choice of weapon. I'm not playing that game with you, AGAIN.
