Warren Holds the 'Center'

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  1. XploreR

    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    That's very LIBERAL of you. :)
     
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    It's common sense. But notice the word IF.

    I think it's very discriminatory of the homosexual lobby to petition only for same sex marriage instead of marriage freedom for all.
     
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    Technically we have what can be described as SERIAL polygamy. You can have as many wives as you want but only one at a time, not simultaneously.

    Since marriage is a CIVIL contract between two consenting adults the Law of the Land does have the authority to REGULATE how many parties are allowed to be legally married to each other under the marriage contract however it cannot DISCRIMINATE as to race, creed or sex of the two individuals involved.

    All rights can be REGULATED under the Law of the Land. That INCLUDES religious rights when they CONFLICT with other INDIVIDUAL rights. Yes, you have the freedom to start a religion comprised of only left handed people but you cannot refuse to bake cakes for the weddings of right handed people.
     
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    Marriage is first and foremost a religious contract.
     
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    So, what group is it that is currently deprived from marriage that you are so concerned about?
     
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    None. I think marriage is between one woman and one man. I further believe that divorce and remarriage is adultery except when the divorce resulted from adultery.
     
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    I think God wants us to feel free to live our lives as we choose, & experience everything possible, so long as out behaviors don't impinge on the rights of others to do the same, or cause intentional harm or pain to others. I don't think God is interested in being a micro-controller or a harsh judge on our personal actions. Indeed, I think he wants the opposite. He likes to see how creative we can be, and doesn't see mistakes as something to punish us for, but wants to see if we learn valuable positive lessons from those mistakes.

    I disagree with your post. I think you are far too narrow & harsh, for no reason. Most Christians believe God created us all--individually. If so, God created gays too--and he knew how to avoid that. But I think he created gays because he wanted to see what new ideas they would come up with their different perspective on life; and, I think God wanted to use them as a test to see how we heterosexuals would treat them--whether we'd consider them as human as ourselves, or unacceptable for their differences. Since Jesus taught non-judgment & love for all, I suspect God wants us to learn to grow in our love enough to accept those different from ourselves as equals, & treat & love them as such.
     
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    Let me ask you this? What do you base your beliefs about what God wants on?
     
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    Simple question; complex answer. In the most simple, basic way I can find, I'd say my world view & spiritual views are based on. . .
    1. Some residual concepts left over from my childhood training in the Methodist Christian persuasion--but very limited.
    2. Over two decades of personal research into Near Death Experiences; including more than 10 in depth personal interviews with individuals who had NDEs.
    3. Over two decades of personal inquiry into past lives accounts & books written by professional doctors & researchers.
    4. The writings of Seth/Jane Roberts, which I find enlightening aspects & intriguing connections that help explain areas of connection not always apparent from other sources. I don't claim these to be the ultimate "truth," but I find them extremely helpful in tying things together for deeper understanding.
    5. A deep personal interest in the ongoing, constant working relationship between the physical & spiritual worlds, & how they function.
     
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    That is incorrect. LONG before the church became interested in marriage it was a political act and ploy where the men married off their daughters for political advantage and status gain. The church didn't start getting involved in marriage until the 1400's.
     
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    So based on your opinion of other peoples personal experiences?
     
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    Long before that. A man shall leave his mother and be united to a wife and the two shall become one flesh..
     
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    In terms of afterlife experiences, they are the best informants we have available to us.
     
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    In your opinion.
     
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    Not under the Law of the Land as we currently define it.
     
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    "In your opinion".

    Animals throughout nature form pair bonds. Some do so merely for the time it takes to provide for the offspring to mature and certain others do so for life.

    In addition we examples of single mothers and fathers caring for their offspring after their mate has departed and we have examples of gay pairs bonding for life. Animals can live in groups that are dominated by a single male or female depending upon the species.

    IOW's the concept of a pair bonded "marriage" exists in nature and we have experimented with literally all the other forms of marriage that is found in nature. Just ask yourself how many examples of polygamous marriages exist in your bible?

    It is cherry picking to take a single bible verse that applies to our current Law of the Land and insist that it was "so ordained" when there are alternative examples from the same source.
     
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    So saith the bible. Which was written by man, in stages. When they were putting together what we know as the Holy Bible today they were so conflicted that they had a rule that essentially said that no one would be tried for hearsay until after they were done deciding what went in it.
     
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    There are things more important than the law of the land
     
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    Polygamy is common in the bible, you are right in every case it has dire consequences.
     
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    "In your opinion".
     
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    Not in nature and I suspect not in the majority of instances in history either.
     
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    We are talking humans here..
    Please give a specific example from history where polygamy being a good thing. Tell me where i can read accounts of it and how it affected the people involved.
     
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    So much for Warren holding the center. She's just as looney left as the rest of them.
     
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    This is true for all of us, including you. :)
     

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