Was Global Warming The Cause of the Great Northwest Heatwave? Science Says No.

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  1. Jack Hays

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    Kossin is the lead author of the paper you cited, which was exposed in the link at #64 as based on a lie. So what you have done is cite a liar telling his lie again.
     
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    That is not the topic of the thread or my #63.
    But for the record, there is no evidence hurricanes are stronger.
     
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    [/QUOTE]

    Kossin is the lead author of the paper you cited, which was exposed in the link at #64 as based on a lie. So what you have done is cite a liar telling his lie again.[/QUOTE]
    And what did Kossin lie about?
     
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    Kossin is the lead author of the paper you cited, which was exposed in the link at #64 as based on a lie. So what you have done is cite a liar telling his lie again.[/QUOTE]
    And what did Kossin lie about?[/QUOTE]
    Already posted at #64 and the link therein.
    "The media are breathlessly touting a cheap new “study” falsely asserting climate change is causing an increase in strong hurricanes. In reality, the study relies on deception, unethical data manipulation, and aggressive misrepresentation of quite normal short-term trends to support its false claim. . . . "
     
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    Are you denying ocean temperatures are getting warmer?
     
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    And what did Kossin lie about?[/QUOTE]
    Already posted at #64 and the link therein.[/QUOTE]
    Not a cut and paste but in your words. What did Kossin lie about in the video I posted?
     
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    ". . . .Unfortunately, good data on ocean temperature only goes back to 2004. The data we have suggests that the oceans are warming at a rate of 0.4°C per century. However, the ocean cycle-time is over 1,000 years and the record is only 15 years, so this is very speculative. However, if the oceans are truly only warming at a rate of 0.4°C per century, it seems very unlikely that the speculation about rapid and dangerous warming of the atmosphere is anything to worry about. . . . "
    Ocean Temperature Update
    2020 › 11 › 28 › ocean-temperature-update
    through all the oceans. It upwells mostly in the in the Indian Ocean, Southern Ocean, and in the Pacific ... knob" of long-term temperature change is the oceans. They regulate the surface temperatures through their
     
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    Do you have any opinions of your own you could share?
     
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    Already posted at #64 and the link therein.[/QUOTE]
    Not a cut and paste but in your words. What did Kossin lie about in the video I posted?[/QUOTE]
    Do you not think your video is a cut-and-paste?
    Regardless, you may assume that expert views I quote are views I share.
    To your question:
    The number of tropical storms has been declining throughout the time period of Kossin's research. So he can claim that the percentage of tropical storms that become major hurricanes is growing only because the overall number of hurricanes has declined.
     
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    And what did Kossin lie about?[/QUOTE]
    Already posted at #64 and the link therein.
    "The media are breathlessly touting a cheap new “study” falsely asserting climate change is causing an increase in strong hurricanes. In reality, the study relies on deception, unethical data manipulation, and aggressive misrepresentation of quite normal short-term trends to support its false claim. . . . "[/QUOTE]

    We are dealing with a person who isn't reading the presentation placed in front of him, he likely doesn't understand this statement:

    bolding mine
     
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    Already posted at #64 and the link therein.
    "The media are breathlessly touting a cheap new “study” falsely asserting climate change is causing an increase in strong hurricanes. In reality, the study relies on deception, unethical data manipulation, and aggressive misrepresentation of quite normal short-term trends to support its false claim. . . . "[/QUOTE]

    We are dealing with a person who isn't reading the presentation placed in front of him, he likely doesn't understand this statement:



    bolding mine[/QUOTE]
    And you continue to reject my post showing a NOAA scientist on video claiming storms are getting stronger. Your posts fail.
     
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    Do you not think your video is a cut-and-paste?

    All of your posts are nothing but cut and paste.
     
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    We are dealing with a person who isn't reading the presentation placed in front of him, he likely doesn't understand this statement:



    bolding mine[/QUOTE]
    And you continue to reject my post showing a NOAA scientist on video claiming storms are getting stronger. Your posts fail.[/QUOTE]
    Your NOAA scientist has been exposed as a liar.
     
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    False, but even if it were so, so what?
     
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    The NOAA scientist bases his belief from proof the oceans are warming up. Where do hurricanes get their energy to increase in strength?
     
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    Maybe someone can help point out where in your "cut and paste" post #64 does it dispute hurricanes are getting stronger? Is NOAA liars as well?

    Climate Change: Ocean Heat Content
    Author:
    LuAnn Dahlman and Rebecca Lindsey
    August 17, 2020
    https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-ocean-heat-content
     
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    Since you won't read the link in #64 I'm under no obligation to sort through it for you. The point is that the claim of a higher percentage of stronger storms derives only from the decline in storms overall. The number of strong storms has not increased.

    This paper is based on deceptive statistics that constitute a lie.
     
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    How would I know your link 64 doesn't mention storms are getting stronger if I haven't read it? I gave you a chance to smear post 64 in my face by providing me the information that claims storms are not getting stronger. Instead you continue to parrot the number of strong storms is not increasing and to that I say so what. You really do not understand the difference between strong storms and storms getting stronger.
     
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    The point being made is that the claim of storms getting stronger is merely a statistical trick. That is quite clearly explained.
     
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    But we can both agree that you are not saying anything about storms getting stronger in your statement below? I'm thinking you meant to say a higher percentage of "strong storms" and not "stronger storms"? I do keep reading post 64 and nowhere do I see anything about stronger storms. Just strong storms...

    "The point is that the claim of a higher percentage of stronger storms derives only from the decline in storms overall."
     
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    Thank you for finally conceding the point.
    The point is that the claim of a higher percentage of strong storms derives only from the decline in storms overall.
     
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    Good. Now I know we were talking about 2 different things. Strong storms which you were talking about as opposed to stronger storms which is what I was talking about. Just not sure why that was difficult for you to figure out. Warmer waters does not necessarily mean more strong storms. What it does mean is when is a hurricane developing warm waters can aid in forming stronger storms depending on how warm the waters are. I will give you the last word on this but I will no longer be replying as I believe we came to an agreement on the difference between strong and stronger storms.
     
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    There never was disagreement.
     
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    Came across something interesting about climate change's visible effects in Greenland:



    Head to 33:40. Professor Smith describes as an aside how the locality where they were finding fossils has changed since the 80s and shows some photos for comparison.

    The video topic is actually the Cambrian Explosion and is also quite interesting and enjoyable if anyone happens to be interested.
     
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    Scientists are very clear that global warming only exasperates these climate events and doesn't cause them.
     

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