Washington State bans gay conversion therapy on minors

what treatment would a crossdresser need? Pedophilia victimizes children necrophilia is considered abuse of a corpse homosexuality victimizes nobody and is abuse of nothing. So yes we have treatments for people who suffer conditions that drive them to commit criminal Acts.

If you want to have some ridiculous Faith healing ceremony which is all conversion therapy is then go do it it's a church organization that's a religious thing the government can't step in there.

so oral sex being a deviancy should be treated the same as molesting a child?

you do what you got to do.

 

If you're into ass or eyes your indiscriminate about which sex they are. Both men and women have ass and eyes.

If it's something you choose prove everyone wrong go be attracted to the same sex for a while you don't have to have sex with them just look at them and be aroused.

 

no its evolutionary that billions of humans are heterosexual but that doesn't negate any evolutionary or genetic pleiotropic flukes that could result in a tiny minority being homosexual.

Genetics is a lot more complex then you're trying to make it sound.

 

I have no problem with who people are attracted to. Attempted scientific arguments need to have real scientific substantiation however

 

What level of scientific substantiation would convince you?

 

I have no problem with the conversion of homosexuals and heterosexuals just prove that you can first show your therapy to be effective in the least. If you can't do that it's abuse.

 

Where did I anything about born with?

 

It cant be cone arbitrarily. These conversion therapies are legal and used on adults over 18. The state can require parental consent but it cannot ban the treatment. This case law was already laid out in Roe v. Wade. But even if the state required parental consent it would still be in legal trouble because so many states do not require parental consent on other treatments and procedures. So they are applying the law arbitrarily.

 

No the state can ban a treatment that might be fine for an adult.

 

And as someone who has spent a lot of time in the study of personality disorders I'm more than familiar with the gray hairs that publish the DSM. The DSM is a joke always caving to political pressure and personal biases. We cant get BPD correctly called emotional regulation disorder because some 70 something geriatric PhD doesn't want to invalidate some study they wrote in 76.

 

No it can't. Thats a violation of the law laid out in Roe v. Wade.

 

Yes they can. That decision is a narrow one

 

Much of psychology is based on unconscious programming that happens by nurture not nature. The psyche is actually complexion there may not be conscious choices but there are underlying constructs that can be treated.

Cutters dont really cut themselves by choice. They have out of control emotional regulation and at some point in their lives they realized that pain dulls emotion. Yes they cut, not they are not genetically programed to cut, but it is also something very much out of their conscious control. They developed a manipulative coping mechanism of self harm at a very young age and its subconsciously ingrained into their behavior. Dealing with the rats nest that is personality is no easy task. I keep hearing that "conversion therapy" has low success. In relationship to what. Most talk therapies have low success rates. Anything that isn't axis 1 is hard to treat.

 

No actually its quite broad. Roe v. Wade is applicable to any and all medical procedures. If someone wants conversion therapy you cant deny them it anymore than you can deny someone access to an abortion.

 

They have been looking for the gay gene for years. If it existed it would have been discovered by now. In my opinion it is nurture. It may be unconscious but it is a result of nurture. That means like it or not it can be treated as an axis 2. Though ****!

 

You have an opinion. Until scotus agrees with you that is all you have. And they wont

 

The problem arising from this is that, so far, there is no conversion therapy that has not been shown to do more damage to the patient's psyche than it "heals". Since there is nothing to show how one becomes something other than the statistically normal heterosexual, there is nothing to show that it is not a trait in place when born. Regardless of when and how it occurs, it has been shown to be an innate trait, as much so as heterosexuality is, and not a choice. Acting on it is, but being homosexual is not. Now with that said, I do believe that such a conversion therapy should exist and we should be trying to develop it. However, especially until it is perfected and does not do more harm than help, the development process should only be done on adults who volunteer for the development experiments.

 

How exactly does this relate to homosexuality?

 

Please provide a link or other evidence of where a minor has been allowed to undergo any portion of SRS. While hormone blockers have been allowed, I have never heard of a minor even being allowed to start on the hormone therapy where they get that of the opposite sex. In other words, While their development is allowed to be halted, where is the opposite development allowed to be started in a minor?

 

Not really all that ridiculous. There are those who are homosexual who do not wish to be. Whether it is for religious reasons, or they just want to be "normal", it is still a legitimate desire.

 

Correction: can happen without sexual stimulation.

 

If conversion works one way then it should work the other. The question would then be whether or not someone wanted to.

 

No matter how hard someone tried, no matter how hard they prayed to Jesus, they could never make me gay.

My compass points in one direction. You can try to make it point in the opposite direction, but it will snap right back to North as soon as you let go.

Hey! Why are you grabbing my compass needle!

 

SCOTUS has already agreed with me. Its your side that is ignoring case law.

 

Correlation/causation fallacy along with anecdotal evidence. Was she bi to begin with but never found a female to interest her, or maybe even hid it? Is she suffering from a trauma that pushes her away from men so she gets sexual satisfaction from women, yet has no real desire for them? Additionally, even if she made a choice (something I am not dismissing), it is still not evidence that it is always a choice or even a significant amount of the time.