WATCH LIVE: Senate Impeachment Trial of Donald Trump (Day Six)

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  1. Bluesguy

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    OMB says the nonbinding statement by the GAO is not correct and the money was released before the fiscal year ended. Biden gave them six hours before the money would be delayed, prove Congress was given notice during that period.

    The fact is the entire Impoundment Act thingy is a silly moot point.
     
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    And they only time the President made a direct comment it was that there was no quid pro quo. It doesn't matter if he told Bolton that it's not an impeachable matter and you don't know what the others would testify to that is utter conjecture.
     
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    And, when was Congress officially notified? Must have been prior to that...since withholding funds PRIOR to notification would have been illegal. Read the law. Read the GAO opinion. And, besides that, why was the withholding not mentioned to Zelenskiy, by Trump, on the July 25th tel-con ?
     
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    The end of the fiscal year has nothing to do with it. Read the law. Withholding of funds, temporarily or permanently, can't be done until AFTER notifying Congress. Where is that notification?
     
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    Yeah, it is. It's an abuse of power. He tried to leverage appropriated funding to obtain the investigations for his personal benefit. The money wasn't his to leverage and he failed to notify Congress according to law.
     
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    The GAO opined that the Obama administration broke federal law on 7 different occasions. Republicans didn't impeach Obama over any of those infractions because it would have been a purely-partisan impeachment, and they had more common sense than to drag the country through that.
     
  7. Bluesguy

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    HUNTER Biden, I merely make note that the Obama administration led by Biden here actually made the threat to do so to Ukraine seeking a quid pro quo.
     
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    Common sense means the President is not above the law. If the Republicans lacked such common sense, it isn't the Democrats fault. Maybe, you'd like the Republicans to go back and impeach, convict and remove Obama retroactively?
     
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    No it was not an abuse of power to protect taxpayer dollars from corrupt use. And GAO was notified in the footnotes that were submitted nine times and that counts as notification to Congress anyway.

    It's a moot point and not an impeachment matter it was an administrative issue.
     
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    Is Congress?
     
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    And it’s a problem because QPQs are illegal?
     
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    Sorry...it was not an administrative issue. There are various reports that the President ordered the withholding of funds BEFORE notifying Congress which is the assumption of a power he doesn't constitutionally hold. Corrupt use? Because they hadn't investigation Hunter Biden on the Burisma board. I believe the previous Chief Prosecutor gave an interview to either Forces or Bloomberg that he'd, in fact, investigated Biden and found that he's broken no Ukrainian laws. Seems Trump didn't like that answer and went back for another try. Corruption regarding the 2016 election? Trump's own administration debunked that one.
    Let's hear what Bolton and the other "direct witnesses" have to say.
     
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    Awww semantics makes a fella feel better huh
     
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    No...Congress is not above the law. Congress makes the law. What do you think Congress has done that's illegal?
     
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    Is that what you call correcting your fabrications?
     
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    No that's what I call a person clinging to sematics
     
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    Words matter. Carter page was not the nominee. Or was someone else spied on by the fbi as you alleged?
     
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    Well it's not for lack of effort on their part, impeaching a President for executing his Constitutional powers, deny due process just to name two. Making it doesn't put you above it.
     
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    Which ones were fabrication?

    Obama used his FBI to investigate the opposing party's candidate during an election

    Said investigation used foreign help

    Said investigation had 17 errors or omissions

    Said investigation netted zero indictments on the original premise of working with Russia.


    Let's go step by steps, what was fabrication?
     
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    So your saying the FBI wasn't also investigating Trump during the campaign?
     
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    1. The president doesn’t direct the fbi who to investigate. Although now we know that wouldn’t be impeachable
    2. Not sure what that means
    3. Weren’t the errors all under the trump admin?
    4. I think that’s true
     
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    I said they weren’t spying on him
     
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    It is an administrative issue over a reporting matter which OMB says it was in compliance and a moot point now. A power the President does have and executes routinely. The only issue is an administrative reporting matter. And yes corrupt use. And I don't care what a Ukraine prosecutors says about breaking UKRAINE laws.
    And what is Biden going to tell you you don't already know and that is an impeachable offense?
     
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    Are you saying they are?
     
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    A word I didn't use, and here I thought words matter
     

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