We Need Donald Trump

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  1. Borat

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    Trump is NOT an ultra right wing puritanical ideologue indeed, thank god. A right-wing ideologue is in fact unelectable in the republican primaries, never mind the general election.

    Trump is a pragmatic right of center businessman. He doesn't want to pursue an ideology, he wants to make America great again and in the real world the goal has little precious to do with extreme ideologies, be it right wing conservatism, libertarianism, socialism etc.
     
  2. WertyFArmer

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    I agree. Just hope most folks do as well. I see the conservative label being added as a tag line to Trump and it makes my head hurt. I in no way want to be associated with him.
     
  3. Derideo_Te

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    Ironic!

    Your own article exposed your fallacy and now you are whining because it made you look foolish.

    And that is not my problem.

    This is your problem!

    http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/30/trump-i-know-words-i-have-the-best-words-obama-is-stupid-video/

    Seriously?

    You want that mental midget to be your president?

    :roflol:
     
  4. CRUE CAB

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    I support Trump, and am quite handsome.
     
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    You said the same about Obama.

    And Trump doesnt stand a change against clinton, lots of republicans who would do a lot better.
     
  6. CRUE CAB

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    Then watch Hillary weasel all your rights away.
     
  7. WertyFArmer

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    I happen to think if Trump get elected, it wont be much different.

    The difference between you and me, is that you choose to ignore the bulk of his life's work and believe what he is telling you today.

    I just put more weight on what a man has done, than what he says. And there so much stuff in Trump's past, that I wouldn't be able to sit and have a drink with the man, much less vote for him.
     
  8. Borat

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    The article I linked provided dozens of quotes of democrats terrified to run against Trump and one quote of an anonymous democrat claiming to be thrilled. The article was appropriately called "why Democrats fear Trump".

    Can I possibly make it any simpler for you to understand?

    PS I wan a president who is not part of corrupt political establishment, who is not bribed by Wall Street, who is not in the pockets of oil, pharma, insurance industry? Under 2 democratic governments (16 years combined) the gap between the 1% and the rest grew as fast as it did under the republican rule... Wby do you vote for more of the same? Some people never learn I suppose.
     
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    Actually you are wrong about that.
    And I can drink with anyone. That said, I support Trump even with his failures and successes'.
     
  10. Derideo_Te

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    Irony squared!

    It was YOUR chosen candidate, T-Rump, who was doing the bribing and corrupting of the political establishment. He even admitted that he did but you still support the very essence of that corruption.

    Then you make the dumbass assumption as to who I am supporting and get that wrong too!

    :roflol:

    And while I am rubbing your nose in your own droppings have you seen how your fellow Republicans are "fearing T-Rump"?

    http://www.politicalforum.com/elections-campaigns/446181-gop-leaders-trump-worse-than-clinton.html

    Looks like even your side knows that T-Rump is a loser!

    :roflol:
     
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    The political establishment was corrupt long before Trump and yes of course, he was playing by the rules the political establishment had created, business people have to either play by those rules or go out of business. Now he wants to change these rules for all, most of all for American people who are getting screwed by your beloved dems as much as by republicans. More power to him, not to the political establishment which wants to continue business as usual.

    PS the GOP is not my side, least of all the GOP establishment. Don't insult me by confusing me with partisan hacks like yourself. Your ilk follows the party line blindly, I use my brain instead. Duh
     
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    Irony cubed!

    If you imagine for one instant that T-Rump is going to "change the rules" then your gullibility is way off the charts.

    T-Rump is only running for his personal aggrandizement and nothing else. The pablum that he is spouting for his supporters is merely a means to an end for what he wants for himself personally. He doesn't understand that the job of POTUS means to SERVE We the People. T-Rump believes that he will become Lord and Master of free world. He will say anything and do anything to make that happen because he is a sociopath.

    Only fools believe that he will lift a finger to make things better for American or Americans.

    T-Rump is an unethical shyster with delusions of grandeur.

    And yes, he is running for the GOP nomination and YOU support him in trying get that nomination therefore you are the partisan hack who is blindly following the most venal and corrupt candidate running for POTUS in 2016.

    As an Independent I am the one actually using my critical thinking skills and seeing what you are obviously missing with your self inflicted blindness as to how T-Rump is manipulating the gullible by playing on their fears and feeding them disinformation and bile.
     
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    BTW I seriously suggest that you watch this short 5 minute video all the way through to the end, even if you don't agree with what they are saying about T-Rump, because you might just learn something that you need to know.

    [video=youtube;pQBD19YL4Lg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQBD19YL4Lg[/video]
     
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    We need Trump like we need a hole in the head.
     
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    I have a choice between a bunch of self-aggrandizing career politicians all fully owned by special interests, all on record taking all sorts of legalized bribes, all beholden to the interests of the political and business elites, all working on behalf of the 1%, ignoring and betraying the 99% of the country that obediently elects them. 3 democratic administrations beginning with Carter and 3 republican administrations beginning with Reagan have utterly failed the American people in every way imaginable, squeezing the middle class, ignoring the poor and sticking the future generations with an enormous debt. Both parties have been betraying their constituency for more than 40 years, yet some young people like you are still fooled by their rhetoric and terrified to try something drastically different.

    And then I have a choice of a self-aggrandizing independent, pragmatic career businessman not beholden to anyone's interests, whose idea of self-aggrandizing is to be the best president, identify and fix America's problems. I say more power to him on this "self-aggrandizing" mission to make America great again for all Americans, not just for Warren Buffett and Hillary who is singing god bless America all the way to the bank with Goldman Sachs check in her hand.
     
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    If you honestly want what you allege then you would be a Bernie Sanders supporter.

    But since you blindly support the CAUSE OF THE CORRUPTION in Congress you obviously don't want anything to change.

    T-Rump IS the problem, not the solution.
     
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    Drumpf is going to need a crap load of Dem cross over to win in a general. His negatives are so freaking high. Not a single family member, including the extended family members that I talk to, will vote for him in the general election. We will write in our choices. I'd rather fight Hillary as POTUS than sit and watch folks blame conservatives for Drumpf's actions in the White House.

    I've been fighting the establishment for almost two decades, inside and outside of politics, and I'll be damned if I let this con man carry the conservative mantel. He is a walk contradiction who appears to go which ever way the wind blows that fake as head of hair of his.

    My guess is at least 5% of conservatives will either stay at home or write in. Look at the national polls, Drumpf is the only one not beating Hillary, and there is a reason it has been that way since December.
     
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    LOL!@ those who support corrupt politicians who ignore the will of the people and then bellyache about Trump!
     
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    Tell me: what problems and what genuinely possible and pragmatic solutions has this great visionary identified? I haven't heard anything but bombast coming from him.
     
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    I would be a Sanders supporter if he was electable and if he wasn't naive and utopian beyond belief on all matters international..... I want a pragmatic pro-American bulldog in the White House, not a meek utopian naive saint. The likes of Putin, Chinese, Iranian and other leaders will walk all over Sanders, lest we forget the combined opposition of the corrupt democratic and republican establishments.

    Sanders makes a lot of good points on income inequality and the middle class squeeze but Trump is the only one who has a fighting chance to change the status quo or at the very least start the course changing process.
     
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    Illegal immigration, bad international trade deals, ISIS and general situation in the Middle East, the loss of jobs to cheap labor markets like China, broken education system, broken healthcare, huge government bureaucracy, ballooning debt and budget deficit for starters...

    You may disagree with these issues and you may not like the solutions he proposes (I certainly disagree with quite a few) but these are real issues that the people are genuinely concerned with and his solutions just might work in the proposed or modified and improved form.

    He is willing to try, other candidates are part of the ruling elite beholden to special interests, they benefit from the status quo, they will work extraordinary hard to maintain it.
     
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    Nothing like delusions and bigotry!

    If you think Trump will change Wall Street, you're deluded.

    As soon as Trump gets anywhere close to the nomination, he'll start peddling his Presidency to the highest bidder.

    As for the rest of it, it's a clear admission that you're responding to his blatant appeals to fear and bigotry.

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    Trump will sell himself to the special interests. The man is a total whore. If you haven't figured that out by now, it's hard to imagine how naive you must really be.
     
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    All other candidates from both parties have long ago sold their soul to the highest bidder and this doesn't seem to bother you at all, you're instead spewing baseless predictions about the only candidate who hasn't sold out and who is self-financing his campaign in order to maintain his independence.
     
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    T-Rump won't change anything because he doesn't know squat about politics or diplomacy. Putin and the Chinese will squash T-Rump like a bug. The Republicans in Congress will impeach him during his first term if he makes it into the Oval office.

    If you want genuine change then start looking into how to form unions where you work. In essence you cannot beat the existing system without a power base and yes, neither Bernie nor T-Rump have that power base. Only unions can provide that power base and essentially push through reforms of the system.

    If your kneejerk reaction to unions is to reject them then try co-operatives instead. In essence corporate power owns congress and the only way to beat back that corporate power is to have an equal and opposite power. We the People must UNITE in order to create that opposing power base.

    While we may not have the same vision for the future we have a common enemy and it is only by being united that we will defeat it and change the system.

    No, T-Rump is not your "white knight in shining armor" because he is an egotistical conman who was responsible for the current corrupt system.

    Your fellow hardworking Americans are your only chance at changing the current system and until you come to that realization the powers-that-be will continue to divide and conquer We the People.

    Lastly, this change won't come about through armed conflict either. It will take the same guts, determination and sacrifices that the original union organizers suffered through to make it happen.
     
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    or he won't. He has enough money. Other, specifically Hillary has sold out a long time ago. The choice is between someone who hasn't sold out as of now and someone who has. No-brainer.
     

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