We need Universal Background Checks

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Ronstar, Nov 24, 2014.

  1. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    If you're convicted of a crime in Idaho, yes. Being arrested isn't sufficient to take away rights. A conviction (or plea bargain) is needed.
     
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    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    Arrested isn't sufficient to take away gun rights. If you're convicted, yes, Idaho mails FL (probably snail mail) that they have convicted one of their CCW permit holders. A felony is a major crime.
     
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    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    All they get is a "yes or no."
     
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    Which is exactly the same knowledge that the seller would get standing at the counter at the FFL.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    being wanted for murder or rape is.

    no one with a warrant for their arrest should be able to buy a gun.
     
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    Rucker61 Well-Known Member

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    If only criminals and straw purchasers felt the same way we do.

    From 18 USC 922g:

    It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person—
    indictment for, or has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the feelings and concerns of criminals is of no interest to me
     
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    Rucker61 Well-Known Member

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    My point was that criminals in the business of selling guns to other criminals don't care if their customers are wanted for any crimes.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    thank you for the obvious
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    what is obvious is UBGCs are worthless in stopping criminals getting guns from people who know they are criminals
     
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    Xenamnes Banned

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    If it is good enough for the legal exercise of one constitutional right, there is not a single legitimate reason the same standard should not be applied to each and every constitutional right.
     
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    Xenamnes Banned

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    How many will they be able to respond to on a daily basis? Exactly what percent can they realistically cover? Will they be able to identify a private firearms sale on the basis of initials and shorthand? Will they automatically know that "CZ" means a firearm?
     
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    A New York based sting by the FBI took three months to catch 2 people recently.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    UBC, if followed strictly by the Patriotic Public, would mean criminals can ONLY get guns from other criminals.

    right now they can get them from any private sale
     
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    Even if that's a misdemeanor warrant for a crime that doesn't disallow gun ownership? Say, I have a warrant against me for petty theft--I stole a $1 candy bar from a store (not robbed, but stole). That's a misdemeanor, and if convicted of it, won't stop me from being able to own a gun.
     
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    First, I have no problem with UBC if it consists of the ability for private sellers to do NICS checks. That said, I also don't think it will prevent more than one or two criminals from buying guns. Criminals aren't going to gun shows to buy guns from clueless private sellers. Gun shows are public places, and every one I've ever been to had off-duty cops in uniform at the entry gates. A gun show is the last place I would go if I were a criminal. Too many witnesses, too many cops. Criminals (per the U of Chicago study) mainly get guns from people they know, not strangers.
     
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    Meaning that what is being proposed by yourself, is ultimately being admitted as worthless if the public at large simply chooses not to abide with it. Therefore it is worthless.

    Even then, it is still an illegal act.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    its only worthless if folks like you encourage Americans to not abide by UBC
     
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    Why should only FFLs have access to the NICS?
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    u should be able to access it at a police station
     
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    If there is no enforcement mechanism, which there is not, then there is no motivating reason for the public to actually abide by it.
     
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    And for the towns whose law enforcement stations have closed down and no longer exist? What of them?
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so they can drive to deliver the gun but not drive to a police station?
     
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    The police don't have access, they aren't staffed to handle tens of millions of checks and they don't want people bringing guns to the station.
     
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    Exactly how many miles must one be legally required to drive outside of their city of residence, simply to sell one of their privately owned firearms to another private individual, before the requirement would qualify as amounting to harassment?
     

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