We need Universal Background Checks

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Ronstar, Nov 24, 2014.

  1. Reiver

    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    Crikey, at least try. Here is the comment you couldn't reply to: "That's pathetic. At least refer to an argument and how it supports your position". Good luck!
     
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    The state of California requires a background check for every firearms sale within the state, private or otherwise, no exceptions. And yet despite this fact, the ATF has found that nearly fifty percent of all firearms taken from prohibited individuals were originally sold within the state of California to begin with. Thus serving to undermine the findings of these so-called "researchers" who are being cited.
     
  3. JakeJ

    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We need universal background checks before anyone is given a voter registration card.
     
  4. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    stop derailing the thread. last warning
     
  5. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    because some criminal records should be controlled beyond general public availability
     
  6. Rucker61

    Rucker61 Well-Known Member

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    You've been told that the knowledge gained in a direct access NICS process is exactly the same knowledge you'd gain standing next to your buyer at the FFL. Why do you keep ignoring this fact?
     
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    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    BS. Has nothing to do with criminal records. You enter the information provided by the buyer and get a yes or no... you haven’t a clue why a person is denied.
     
  8. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    you're right, I forgot.

    there are three answers from a NICS check:

    -yes

    -no

    -delay.

    perhaps this should be available upon registration with a NICS website.
     
  9. An Taibhse

    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    My point is any private person should be able to register with the NICS.

    A number of years ago I sold off much of my collection... over 60 guns. I had my process for filtering buyers, required IDs, kept detailed records, did my own background research, and even turned down a couple sales. If the NICS was available to me, I would have used it. I now do a lot of work for a FFL (will again this weekend) so I now have easy access. But, there is no reason why I should not have been able to register with NICS and used it prior. Many gun owners selling privately would likely voluntarily use it if they could.
     
  10. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    as long as the buyer's record can only be accessed by him, using info he would likely only know.
     
  11. DentalFloss

    DentalFloss Well-Known Member

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    And if it's open access what's to prevent me from background checking random strangers?
     
  12. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    Why? Felony convictions are public records.
     
  13. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    military records are not
     
  14. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    All you would find out is "yes," "no," or "Delay."
     
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    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    Because the only input the seller has into the system is a code received from the buyer generated by his input into NICS. How would you check random strangers?
     
  17. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Xenamnes Banned

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    The fact that they are not providing any personal, identifying information that would be utilized in such?
     
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    wyly Well-Known Member

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    it seems like a no brainer....

    1-criminal record-no permit ever...
    2-record of mental instability-no permit ever unless cleared by doctor, make that three doctors...
    3- 6 month wait period, time for a potentially disgruntled person with a grudge to cool down...

    significant punishment for anyone who sells a gun to any of the above without proper background check
     
  20. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    I don't believe that, but I will grant that for sake of argument. It's not an issue, since military discharge is not part of the information that an NICS check gives. It only gives "yes," "no," or "delay." Nothing about military discharge (or mental health) specifically.

    Per the National Archives

    https://www.archives.gov/personnel-records-center/foia-info

    Note, the transcript of Courts-martial trials are part of the public record that can be obtained by the public at large (not just the next of kin).
     
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  21. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    lol, soo lazy.

    I read the actual form.

    it says only the service member or his next of kin can request the discharge info.


    I cannot request the discharge info of my co-worker.
     
  22. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    Glad you're not making authoritarian laws.
     
  23. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    You can request the transcripts of his court-martial trials. You didn't read either.
     
  24. sonofthunder

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    This is true. Military records are government records. They are not available to just anyone, like public records are.
     
  25. An Taibhse

    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    You would have a total strangers personal information? How?
     

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