We The People gave the guy a chance

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  1. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

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    Probably taxes, some kind of revenue generation of some sort. Point is, didn't need to drag the other 80% for 20%. That was just stupid, and among the many brain farts in 2009 that ended up creating the weakest Democratic Party since the Reagan Revolution.
     
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    I want to note he was elected with no excuses as to the character of the man, and his background, so he should now get his chance but in four years if he is lacking people can vote him out that is the beauty of the process on how a democratic republic works.
     
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    You are very funny...

    Hee Haw........

    Because of harry reid and your cheating rule changing party,

    Trump will be able to do anything he damn well pleases.

    The liberal melt down has been a blast to watch.

    I just can't get enough of you liberals catching your hair on fire.

    The left created Donald Trump........................

    The idiot as you call him, kicked your liberal butts and all your

    liberal ill gotten money with twitter.

    You may need to reexamine who's the idiot................................

    Are we having fun or what?
     
  4. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    You stole the election from the 2 million more people who voted for Hillary than for Trump. Even Trump himself said he thought a President who wins despite getting more votes was wrong but all of you Trumpistas have conveniently "forgotten" that, just like you forget most all of the truly silly things you say and sometimes even the tenets of reality itself when you are inevitably proven wrong
     
  5. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Tough, Los Angeles county will just have to live with it. The state of civics education is horrid.
     
  6. Deno

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    Relax boys..

    Take a deep breath..

    The grown ups are in charge now.

    Trump is going to make America Great Again..
     
  7. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    You really think the public would have supported more taxes, when the movement call TEA, Taxed Enough Already, Party was still putting millions into the street?.

    I will admit he probably could have pulled it from other areas, like Defense, but then where would he have gotten the money for infrastructure from? and infrastructure remains a vital necessity today.

    Obamacare was created as it is because there was really no other choice.
     
  8. AmericanNationalist

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    I disagree, we could've created a much smaller program. There's no reason we couldn't. Except lacking political will(or perhaps in this case, a bigger plan makes it look grand for the Democrats.) Little did they know, the American People didn't care for Universal health care. They cared more for infrastructure/ending the wars. Now the world map looks more colluded than ever before and we never did get that major investment we were promised.

    If Trump doesn't succeed, I will by 2018 give political voice for a major infrastructure bill. The people deserve to have investment HERE in America. 21st century airports and roads without bumps lol.
     
  9. Deno

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    We didn't steal anything,You are either ignorant of the process

    or just a sore loser. If it were the other way around we all

    know you would be crowing your butt off.

    Deal with it...
     
  10. Stevew

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    Exactly! ACA didn't even try to address the 'affordability' of healthcare.

    Paul Ryan was on Hannity last night, and Hannity hit him with the hard questions. I am encouraged that ACA's replacement will be much better and people won't get caught without healthcare insurance.

    Steve
     
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    Payback is a bieeech........
     
  12. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    How?

    Two major things he wants are to throw millions out and deny entrance to millions of others. As much as these might "protect" us (and I can't understand why either will) I don't see how they will do anything financially but cost us money.

    He then proposes to put a 35% tax on imports to force us to buy higher priced domestic goods. Along with being a big-government coercive solution it is based on the idea that we can all be prosperous through having some of us victimize others.

    Finally it seems he wants to revive industry through going back to the idea that businesses should not have to pay environmental costs. This will go even further than tariffs to making our industries the most backward in the world. American products used to be known for efficiency and clean operation, if Trump and the pubs have their way they will be seen as the most wasteful and dirtiest.

    He's going to make America great for bigots, corrupt bureaucrats and polluting businesses. I don't see how he's going to help anybody else though.
     
  13. Deno

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    What a joke.

    obama was supposed to fix our infrastructure

    with all that stimulus money.

    Where did all that money go?

    Just more liberal bs and wasted money.
     
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    Hillary won by 2.5 million votes. Yeah, yeah, I get it, the Electoral College.... Do you??? We'll see... Now DEMOCRATS, listen CLOSELY!!! If you win back the Senate and Congress by 2010, the Interim Election, how many justices will he actually appoint? Take a page from the Republican obstructionism of the last eight years... Trump, the Ugly, will last, if he's lucky, four more years... but the Supreme Court Justices he is capable of appointing will last another thirty. Why do I not hear y'all going crazy for the interim election STARTING NOW? Is it beneath y'all, as elitists? I know most of YOU deserve this, but your constituents don;t, not even they who oppose you do... get your (*)(*)(*)(*) together and win in 2018. Stop your griping and DO SOMETHING
     
  15. AmericanNationalist

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    Very basically, at its conceptional level this is a organizational bill. The ACA is trying to regulate the health insurance market. But as you can imagine, most of Washington(and especially the Democratic side, with its loathing of financial institutions) has no idea how the business side market actually works. So they used the wrong tools for the wrong solutions. Particularly as it relates to health care, where there's an abundance of scarcity.

    If we really want to reduce costs in health care, there's two ways to go about it: One is to reduce health care usage(and that's where there are some successes, home portables, etc. I'd extend that to home care, not just for the elderly but for those who would need that kind of care while at the same time otherwise being functional.) It'd cost a little more, but a lot less than having to care for them all at the hospital.

    The other one, which I proposed is to break up the groups. The one-size fits all thing is STUPID in health care. Because everyone's costs are different. Pooling them together actually made it more expensive. By keeping the most expensive group separate, the subsides can go directly to the poor/terminally ill, etc and last longer. And you no longer need the 'young, healthy' people since you already have the most expensive group taken care of.

    Government tried to write a business plan, and didn't know how. 10 Char, in a nutshell.
     
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    America is already great for bigots. It is full of left-wing racial and identity politics.

    It is funny that your main complaint is the Trump will throw out non-Americans.
     
  17. Deno

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    That orange idiot crushed the entire liberal

    machine with half the money hillary spent.

    Along with that he crushed all the liberal media

    and everything they threw at him.

    And don't forget the republican party and all their

    rinos that tried to destroy him.

    Trumps constitutional knowledge we be clear

    with his Supreme Court Picks....

    Can't wait....

    Life is good....
     
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    Exactly! I used to work in the medical field, both in a hospital and for the manufacturer of dialysis equipment as a field service rep, and one of the methods to reduce costs was to place equipment in a household setting. But I once asked a dept manager at a state hospital if he knew the monthly costs of performing services. His reply, as a manager, was he didn't need to know that.

    That's the bureaucratic response to anything. It isn't my money so why should I worry about it.

    Steve
     
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    As I see it there never is a "leader" of modern republics. The system itself is the leader. Therefore no matter how well intentioned you are, you're going to fail at doing what you set out to do. You have to form coalitions which disagree with your ideals, if you do something noble chances are you'll be heckled out of office, and at the end of the day you have to keep the military happy or some trigger happy general will put an end to your pulse.

    But they definitely show their true colours. Obama for instance didn't just compromise where necessary with the pro-war - he was the pro-war!
     
  20. AmericanNationalist

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    Which stupefies me! If you don't know the costs, how do you know you're not getting enough? Or too much? Reducing waste in health care spending is another huge way we can reduce costs. I don't mind a Federal program(the Greenback is the federally accepted dollar.) But it has to be a program that works for everyone and is based on the actual marketplace problems/players. From doctors to hospitals to insurers, everyone has different needs that has to be addressed.
     
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    And you say this with a straight face.........

    We all know the left legislates from the courts.
     
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    This is a perfect example of fake news.

    Everything you say actually applies to hillary,bill and all of the left...

    You can't get away with your liberal lies any more.
     
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    Agreed, there were and are much more efficient ways to serve people healthcare in our economy.

    I would back a BIG infrastructure bill.

    I think this election reasserted America as a center right nation, our historical position for the most part.
     
  24. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    The state of mathematical education must be much worse. Your assertions as to urban areas dominating the election only makes sense if NOBODY in the areas where Hillary did not get a majority voted for her and conversely NO Trump voters were in heavily populated areas. In point of fact voters for both candidates are spread all over
     
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    Still doesn't change the fact that only a few areas determined the popular vote and our system protects minority States.
     

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