We told you so: Entitlement "reform" next on the GOP agenda

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  1. Lesh

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    And it did all that PRIOR to the dismantling of the New Deal which began in the 1980s. Since then the middle class has been in decline...
     
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    AFM claims that Republicans "of course" would...

    I ask you...when has that ever been the case?
     
  3. AFM

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    For some of the very upper middle class that live in high taxation states. The final bill will most likely have limits above which deductions for state and local income taxes and property taxes will be excluded.

    Why are you not able to do the homework and prove it to yourself ?? I've given you all the hints and help you need.
     
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    For example the Trump administration is working to ensure that many more low income students have access to a quality education. Betsy DeVos is focused on charter and vouchers for private schools.

    The R's have always been for this type of action. The D's shut it down as Obama did in Washington DC.
     
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    Trump via DeVos is doing just that.
     
  6. dairyair

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    Because you just admitted, that I am right. And you're blowing smoke.
    Some middle class families will see an increase.
     
  7. SiNNiK

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    Oh snap.
     
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    Ridiculous.

    Every state, including Puerto Rico, Guam, U.S. Virgin Islands, has a system of taxpayer funded colleges and universities. Further, most states, if not all, have taxpayer supported community colleges.

    The problem with cost has to do with those colleges and universities who turn their students into debt peons while enriching the administrators and teachers with the proceeds from that debt.
     
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    That's just plain dumb.

    7% of taxpayers will see a tax increase. These will be in the upper ~ 15% and they will mostly reside in states with high tax rates and property taxes, 60% of taxpayers will see a tax decrease. These will be lower and middle income quintiles.
     
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    Exactly and just as it is with the public school system the corruption is that the universities which donate to the D party benefit from D policies which result in more public employees making high salaries and higher tuitions. College tuition prices have risen at a rate much greater than inflation.
     
  11. AFM

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    The income distribution is meaningless. The important statistics and proxy for increases in the standard of living are the median real household income and the gdp economic growth rate. Half the households are below the median and half above. Who cares what the spread is as long as the standard of living and productivity increase at the maximum rate ??

    And why can't all the elitist brainiacs out there figure out that productivity increase is due to technology. The cost of human labor is less and less a factor which is why productivity and wages do not increase at the same rate. It's truly amazing that there is so much ignorance out there.
     
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    The college/university tuition scam is a crime of epic proportions. This crime was further promoted by the efforts of the Democrat controlled 111th Congress when they followed President Obama's requests, and voted to take take control of student loans, thus ensuring the upward spiraling costs of a college education would continue unabated.

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/111th-congress/house-bill/4872/actions
     
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    You're numbers don't add up.
    What 40% are seeing an increase, if 60% will see a decrease?
     
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    Public education is a necessity for any society to advance and remain as leaders in areas of science and technologies.
    R's would love to gut any and all public education.
     
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    And as labor becomes less and less. What do we do with those who rely on labor as a means to sustain life?
     
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    It looks mine would stay about the same. It would just be a heck of a lot less work for me to file.
     
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    I have to itemize, I think. Even if the deduction doubles.
    Although, I'm not worried about me. But the 40% who will see the increase. If that number is accurate.
    I suspect the lower/poor class might get hit.
     
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    Gee if 7% see an increase and 60% see a decrease then 33% would see no change ?? Of course you know that no change is + or - $100.
     
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    That’s 7%. Had you done your homework you would have known that.
     
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    Training in occupations which are in demand.
     
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    We saw the same crap from the Left when Newt and Co. passed the Welfare Reform Act of 1996.
     
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    I think that's something most taxpayers KNOW :)
     
  23. dairyair

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    Not in a year where the tax structure is changing.
     
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    Yes waitstaff and janitorial. There's a future.
     
  25. ButterBalls

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    Oh come now :) I hardly believe these unrealized changes would have stopped someone from itemizing previous years! Lets put it this way, I have itemized for at least a decade, 13 years actually, and I'm positive I'm itemizing in 2017 because I've already done so for three of the four quarters this year ;)
     

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