Well the Schumer government shut down is under way

Following Obama's lead Schumer and the democrats are proving how much they hate the US!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Use whatever phrasing you prefer, it is still unprecedented

 

The idiot Schumer miscalculated-------------he thot he would have the backing of the MSM but he does not, nor the American people.

 

Right because only your ideas about what it means to be an American who loves his/her country is correct.

 

Right---------------I like the president place the health and welfare of real American first.

 

Real American. The word real can be very subjective when it comes to talking to certain individuals...

 

“Well, if you say who gets fired it always has to be the top,” Trump said. “I mean, problems start from the top and they have to get solved from the top and the president’s the leader. And he’s got to get everybody in a room and he’s got to lead.”

He said that further down in history, “when they talk about the government shutdown, they’re going to be talking about the president of the United States, who the president was at that time.”

“They’re not going to be talking about who was the head of the House, the head the Senate, who’s running things in Washington,” Trump said.

“So I really think the pressure is on the president,” he added.

 

Conservatards doing the only thing they're good at: renaming and labeling things to obfuscate the reality of them.

For example Obamacare, even though Obama's actual health plan was rejected in its entirety and he had almost no hand in crafting what we have today. But republicans wanted to smear him so they screeched Obamacare at the top of their lungs over and over until it stuck.

Now they are trying to rebrand this shutdown to somehow be Schumer's fault when it's really because despite having the numbers, republicans couldn't get their **** together to pass a budget. Humiliating failure can become something else if you just rename it, right?

 

In the United States, a continuing resolution (often abbreviated to CR) is a type of appropriations legislation. An appropriations bill is a bill that appropriates (gives to, sets aside for) money to specific federal government departments, agencies, and programs. The money provides funding for operations, personnel, equipment, and activities.[1]Regular appropriations bills are passed annually, with the funding they provide covering one fiscal year. The fiscal year is the accounting period of the federal government, which runs from October 1 to September 30 of the following year .[2] When Congress and the president fail to agree on and pass one or more of the regular appropriations bills, a continuing resolution can be passed instead. A continuing resolution continues the pre-existing appropriations at the same levels as the previous fiscal year (or with minor modifications) for a set amount of time.[1] Continuing resolutions typically provide funding at a rate or formula based on the previous year's funding.[3] The funding extends until a specific date or regular appropriations bills are passed, whichever comes first. There can be some changes to some of the accounts in a continuing resolution. The continuing resolution takes the form of a joint resolution, and may provide bridging funding for existing federal programs at current, reduced, or expanded levels.[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuing_resolution

The R's have/had the power to keep gov't up and running.
They chose not to.

 

R's hold all the cards.

 

I disagree.

It is a Democrat talking point that Republicans are in complete control, but in reality it takes 60 votes to pass any legislation in the Senate. The GOP only has 51 votes, calling for some give-and-take to occur in order for any budget to be passed.

So, unless you can show us 9 democrats who voted for the budget, it was the democrats who shut down the government, pure and simple.

 

Wrong. The GOP COULD have used Budget Reconciliation to pass this CR but CHOSE not to. They could have passed the reconciliation with the same 51 votes they used to pass the Donor Relief Act in December.

Wanna know why they didn't?

Because they knew that they couldn't get their own members to vote for it.

Four Republicans voted against their OWN bill.

 

In the United States, a continuing resolution (often abbreviated to CR) is a type of appropriations legislation. An appropriations bill is a bill that appropriates (gives to, sets aside for) money to specific federal government departments, agencies, and programs. The money provides funding for operations, personnel, equipment, and activities.[1]Regular appropriations bills are passed annually, with the funding they provide covering one fiscal year. The fiscal year is the accounting period of the federal government, which runs from October 1 to September 30 of the following year.[2] When Congress and the president fail to agree on and pass one or more of the regular appropriations bills, a continuing resolution can be passed instead. A continuing resolution continues the pre-existing appropriations at the same levels as the previous fiscal year (or with minor modifications) for a set amount of time.[1] Continuing resolutions typically provide funding at a rate or formula based on the previous year's funding.[3] The funding extends until a specific date or regular appropriations bills are passed, whichever comes first. There can be some changes to some of the accounts in a continuing resolution. The continuing resolution takes the form of a joint resolution, and may provide bridging funding for existing federal programs at current, reduced, or expanded levels.[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuing_resolution

51 votes to pass a CR.
And the GOP didn't have 51 votes. They had 45. 5 against, 1 absent vote.

The shutdown is on their heads.

 

... which placed democrats back in charge. All they had to do was produce a few votes to avoid the shutdown. They chose not to.

 

A few? D's gave 5 up votes. R's gave 5 down votes.
R's can't even get their own house in order.

 

So what you are saying is that in spite of controlling both Houses of Congress and the Presidency...the inept Republicans can't keep government running?

Are you kidding?

Newsflash...if you're so inept that you can't get your own people to vote to keep government open and need the opposition party...you DON'T try to defund the ACA and end DACA

 

Yes. "The swamp" is bi-partisan.

 

With people like Grahamnasty claiming dreamers should vote republican proves your point. Not what is good for Americans but what is good for votes.

 

I agree that it is strange for the democrats to stop a spending bill. I guess it is unprecedented.

 

Trump made Schumer do it; Trump must be impeached & replaced with said rutabaga, especially as it was HER time!!!!!!!!!!!!

HERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

A shutdown falls on the President’s lack of leadership. He can’t even control his party and get people together in a room. A shutdown means the President is weak

 

Actually, that happened 8 times during the Reagan administration, but that was back when the Democrats controlled congress. The current shutdown is the first time in US history that there has been a government shutdown with a single party controlling both houses of congress and the white house.

 

Why do Democrats hate the children?

 

The Republicans are being disingenuous when they try to put this one on the Democrats. They are saying the Democrats did not support the C.R. over the immigration issue. That is a lie.

Immigration issue has many facets, the lottery system, the family issue, border security (which itself is multifaceted, border guards strength, fencing, electronic measures, vehicles, and aircraft), the problem of illegal immigration and what to do with the eleven million illegal immigrants already here, the wall, etc,. etc, A very tiny part of the immigration issue is the 700,000 Dreamers.

Because of broken promises by Republicans and Trump for the past four months over the Dreamers, the Democrats have said no more, and they put their foot down. If the Republicans and Trump hadn't fixed the problem in four months, how could they trust them to solve it in two months?

In addition, the Republicans have proven they are not able to govern. For the past six to nine months they have been incapable of passing a budget. That is why Congress is voting on the fourth C.R. We are nearly half way through fiscal year 2018. The GOP itself is split. Four Republicans voted against the C.R. Why should the Democrats think the GOP will suddenly become more capable in the next two months.

The Republicans have promised to take care of the Dreamers in March. We have heard that before. But how will they take care of the Dreamers? Will they incorporate the Dreamer issue into a bill that also includes a substantial increase in military spending, the wall, stringent immigration issues, draconian health care measures? In other words, a plethora of issues the Democrats strongly oppose.

Elections are in November and the Democrats are very hopeful. No reason to give away the ranch today. Republicans should be wary when it comes to the Dreamers. Are they going to ship them all back? What exactly are they going to do with the Dreamers? Allow them to stay? Then why not say so now and turn the lights back on?

Because Trump and the Republicans have broken their word so many times on the Dreamers issue, the Democrats had to either draw a red line or put 700,000 young people living in the U.S. in limbo, a place they have been since Trump made his cruel decision in September.

The Democrats decided on the red line. No more obfuscation, no more broken promises.

 

Are you joking? DACA is not part of a budget bill. Dems are holding the budget hostage to DACA.