Western Countries are Incapable of Resolving the Race/IQ Debate

I translate pushing of multiculturalism in this country as something else. Something like this:

Capitalist: I don't want to pay the local rate to do this job. If I could just get someone to do it cheaper...

Listener: How about Mexican labor? Much cheaper and you can pay under the table.

Capitalist: The locals will get angry if they see strange faces taking the jobs they feel entitled to.

Listener: Make it so they buy into it *shrug*.

Capitalist: How?

Listener: Make the case for "multiculturalism."

Capitalist: The hell is that?

Listener: It's you getting your dirt cheap labor under the guise of diversity. This way the locals are smoothed over by the idea of seeing strange faces and not being immediately hostile towards them.

Capitalist: The locals will eventually figure out the scam and be pissed.

Listener: *LOL* Well you better get a lobby out to attack that 2nd Amendment for when the time comes. Oh and over charge them so they'll end up too broke to fight back. Good luck!

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The world wars were fought because of economics. I won't argue against different cultures clashing though. It happens all the time. I just wanted to address how multiculturalism is used in this country from my pov.

 

To the bolded: Not at all.

 

America has always be enthralled with cheap labor, first it was the Black slaves, then the Irish, then the Italians, and Polish, then the Puerto Ricans, and now the Mexicans, Guatemalans, Ecuadorians etc.

But, only 3 of those groups became well off.

It's funny, Italians, Polish, and Irish become solidly middle class quite quickly, while Blacks, and Hispanics lag on, and on usually.

Okay, you can claim oh boo hoo hoo Blacks had it so hard, but what about Puerto Ricans?

I can't recall Puerto Ricans being subjected to dumb Polak jokes, drunken Irish jokes, or Italian mafia movies.

So, please do give us an explanation for the Puerto Rican lag?

Oh, it's just skin color keeping them down.

Except Asian Indians, Pakistanis, Cameroonians, and Nigerians are doing quite well in America, and are even darker than Puerto Ricans.

I guess, it's back to the drawing board for a new scheme to promote egalitarian Liberalism.

 

Excellent post.

The dirty little secret about China's success is that they've taken Hitler's recipe for success, and they are beating everybody's ass (I'm not a fan of Hitler, but his economic system was outstanding). China is a National Socialist society. They combine their ethnic nationalism, which makes for a strong culture, and view capitalism and socialism as mere tools toward achieving their ends--it works very well.

It doesn't matter in the long run. America is going to get its ass whooped in international affairs once China really gets going, and then our people might wake up. America won't have much of a military when the economy is a perpetual depression.

To give you an example of how stupid we are, I once read an article that was criticizing the losses of the Beijing public transit system. Now, they were losing about 500 million a year after fares, which seems like a lot, but in context it is a wild success. A person does not need a car to live in Beijing, so all of the money that would have gone into buying a car (the cost of buying and maintaining, say, ten million vehicles) can be used for other expenses. The 500 million dollar loss is a drop in the bucket compared to how much they gain by not needing vehicles. America, of course, cannot understand how taking a public loss can result in a gain--our ideology does not allow it.

 

Our problems are systemic. It's impossible to boil it down to people failing to make good decisions. You first have to ask why, and the answer is rimarily composed of four factors:

1. Ubiquitous, for-profit, mass, corporate media

2. Campaign financing and access

3. Universal suffrage

4. Two-party system and the underlying system that perpetuate it.

I think these four things guarantee that America is permanently screwed.

 

Hitler went nuts, he ended up killing mostly White Christians.

The funny thing though, is many establishment bankers financed Hitler to power.

I for one could see this all as purposeful, as in Nazis were steered nuts by the establishment to create a Liberal backlash.
(however this may, or not be true)

One thing's for sure, Nazis did create a Liberal backlash.

Which I think is a bit unfair to just demonize Fascism over that.

Because British Empire Capitalists killed about 60 million in India alone, and the Soviet Communists killed about 60 million.

But, not much of a backlash for that, in fact quite a few people don't even know about these, especially the British Empire Capitalist abuses of India.

 

America, thankfully, does not have a Muslim immigration problem, yet. Latino immigration, as bad as it is, is not a cultural disaster in the same way that the Muslim immigration is. Mexicans can and have been assimilated, but Muslims are a totally different problem. The Latinos in America keep quiet, go to work, and leave others alone a lot more than Muslims do. I'm not saying i like it or that it isn't screwing the unskilled workers in this country, but it is nothing compared to what Europe is facing. It's no wonder Hitler is gaining popularity in Europe now.

 

The groups that do alright are either ones that have been adopted under the "white" class. Blacks and Latinos fare differently depending on where they live and the local culture. Puerto Ricans may have a tough time if they aren't visibly white.

In this country, benefit of the doubt is given on a spectrum with the most favorable given to lighter skinned people to the least given to the darkest skinned people. This is all despite ethnicity.

 

How about the opium wars? Yeah, capitalism and communism have been far worse than National Socialism, in all its forms, has been.

Don't worry, China will prove the inherent superiority of National Socialism and it will improve the world for the better, eventually.

 

Eh, Latinos do have their issues, the highest murder rate countries in the World are in Latin America mostly.

But, I do agree with Muslim immigration is very divisive, and causes huge cultural conflict, and at it's worse extremism.

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How come the richest ethnic group in the U.S.A is Asian Indian now?

From what I've seen Asian Indians are about the same coloring as African Americans.

 

Agreed, but I'll take Latinos over Muslims any day of the week. Europe has lost its damn mind.

Personally, I think Germany needs a coup to take out Merkel and the entire liberal establishment. Germany has become weak again and needs a national renewal.

 

Many stupid actions can be justified by stupid actors. The BLM violence is an excellent example.

There is a rather large difference in thought capacity between an 80 IQ and a 110 IQ, and much of the behavior of the 110 IQ person will be totally beyond the comprehension of the 80 IQ person.

A person capable of only one-step logic (essentially, if this, then that) will see everything that way. Logic can have many additional steps--two, three, four, five, or even more. Read up on it.

http://helpychalk.blogspot.com/2008/05/open-access-logic-textbooks.html

 

Actions by a few in a race is not enough to justify extermination of the full race. There was a point in time the black crime rate was very low. The only thing that should be required is to roll back all the harmful policies.

This should be easy:

Remove zoning laws
Allow agriculture in city zones
Allow citizens to rezoning dead zones
Allow big parks for hunting areas
Roll back welfare
Roll back tax rates
Final penalties for violent crimes
Either pinch drug and gun connections for good or end prohibition
Allow artists to protest filthy content within black music without them getting sued.

This should allow people to be a lot less dependent on the government and roll back some harmful policies.

 

They practice group economics.

 

Western countries are the only ones who care because we have some cultural ingrained belief in "equality". Other nations largely embrace inequality, but that is an anathema to Murica.

 

How do you explain Japanese Americans (70% are born in this country) outperforming whites?

 

Japanese Americans practice group economics and stick together.

 

Sounds like libertarianism. I think it would lead to war relatively quickly.

 

Yeah, it would. Which is why it should be rolled out in phases. The weaning off the social safety nets can be on an aggressive timeline of two years when its phase comes up.

 

I hadn't realized that the race/IQ thing has been elevated up a few levels to being a "debate". I'm pretty sure it's still racist babble in an echo chamber as it always has been.

 

Could you explain the group economics Japanese Americans practice, and how that leads to higher IQ and educational attainment?

Don't Laotians and Vietnamese stick together?

Why is it Northeast Asian Japanese - with larger brain volume - outperform these other other Asian groups?

 

You mean those brain volume differences that keep cropping up?

Over a dozen genes linked to educational attainment are more frequent in some ethno-racial groups than others.

 

I hope you understand how that affects your egalitarian principles. It will not perfectly align along the dimensions you think it will.

E.O. Wilson
Steven Pinker
James Watson

It's not considered insane to acknowledge racial differences. Remember, us so called "supremacists" are saying that Jews and Asians are smarter.
Where's the supremacy?

 

When you (exclusively) look out for your group and support members of your group, your group can accumulate enough money and resources to elevate or maintain higher standards of that group.

The Loatian and Vietnamese groups came from war-torn areas IIRC. I think they still stick to their groups here.

To your last question, I don't know.

 

Nah, I don't see it. The safety nets we have now should be scrapped. Some truly helpful programs should replace them.