Western Countries are Incapable of Resolving the Race/IQ Debate

Genetic ancestry tests make possible a dispositive test of the hereditarian hypothesis. Mixed race individuals achieve mid range IQs in adulthood. The only possible causal mechanisms are genes or "half-strength" societal discrimination, presumably based on apparent ancestry. Since brain genes and appearance genes recombine separately at least to some degree, individuals who appear more black should achieve lower IQs than whiter looking individuals despite having the same level of admixture as determined by a genetic ancestry test, if societal discrimination is a factor. By correlating IQ to genetic ancestry and apparent ancestry estimated from photographs at the same time it should be possible to apportion weight to each factor.

 

No one is arguing for extermination of anyone, unless you are referring to Muslim desires. Stupidity is not a reason for extermination, but bad actions are. Stupid arguments made to stupid people can lead to bad actions.

I agree that a society should be designed in such a manner that all people can find a niche they can comfortably fit into, but that won't happen as long as the elites continue to export the means of production. It also won't happen by attempting to force people of differing lifestyles to live in close proximity as long as the politics of greed and envy are pursued, as no person of intelligence is going to allow themselves to be placed in such a vulnerable position.

 

There are multiple factors going on. I used to notice more prejudice against American Indians in the Midwest than the East, partly because of differing population concentrations and probably also local history. There also used to be more prejudice against Asians on the West Coast, as they were more prevalent there.

Skin color is not as all-encompassing issue as many seem to feel; other factors are also at work. IMO people can be quite dark and still receive more acceptance in many places if they lack marked Negroid facial features. Puerto Ricans that self identified as "Spanish" used to get along better; sometimes the magic is in the label a person uses to describe themselves.

I find it laughable that Muslims are so often described as being "brown' or "black" as they are often neither--but people have become motivated to improve their recognition of them due to the risk some present, no matter what their skin shade..

 

All ethnic groups look put for each other, but they all have different IQ corresponding to the IQ of their native country.

 

Indeed my local Subway sandwich shop is owned by 2 Asian Indian brothers, but they must not be stupid if they can run a business.

But, what about the Asian Indian doctors I've seen, is it just group economics there too?

 

Frankly I don't have a problem with the Two party system. Parliamentary systems with multiple parties generally govern as two coalitions anyway. With a two party system, you know what coalition you are getting when voting.

I do think universal suffrage is a problem though. Some people are just too dumb or amoral to have the responsibility of voting.

 

I prefer a one-party system where ideology plays little role--you argue within the party, keep it sensible, and keep it elevated. I want to be like more sensible countries where people don't disagree about every single issue and things gets done. I don't think people fully appreciate how insane it is that our country is sharply divided in binary fashion. Over 90% of people who actually care about politics, who are the ones that matter at all (not average people polled), can be divided very cleanly into two ideological camps, and there is almost no room for sensible compromise. The fact that I can ask a person's position on two things and then predict their 50 other positions should not be possible--this is a horrible sign.

Universal suffrage has been a disaster...Maybe the worst thing we've ever done. I don't even think I should be voting, let alone the mouth-breathers I see showing up to the polls during elections.

 

It's hardly rocket science is it?

 

The historical examples of one party states doesn't enamor me to them.

 

Let's see how China pans out

 

People do need space. I get it and support that. What I have a problem with is people trying to use the faulty - laden IQ arguments against lpeople. They do it not because they sincerely want to know IQ differences, but because they use it as justification for mistreatment and abuse.

We have plenty of mentally challenged people in this country and no one ever bags on them. This is just one reason why I don't take pretentious people seriously when they seem to aggressively pursue certain arguments and suggest certain actions based off them.

Each time a genocide took place, the murderers had a case against the people that relieved them of any moral and ethical apprehensions for killing people.

The signs are all here. The country's economics are in the toilet. The power players will be damned if people start looking in their direction. So, they've set up a scapegoat for which people will focus instead of them. This is history repeating itself for the umpteenth time so extermination is the next topic of discussion after the IQ "debate."

 

You are way too worried about that. I can assure that neither me, nor anyone I know or have ever talked to is trying to exterminate other races. I have zero interest or desire in abusing anyone based on race. I simply want honesty on this issue and am tired of hearing that everything is the fault of white people--it is not.

I also bag on the mentally retarded all the time. I have proposed disenfranchising well over 70% of the population in other threads because I think they get duped and create more problems than they solve. I've made no secret of my nationalist tendencies and consider myself a champion of the people, not a friend of government bureaucrats and corporations.

If you've read any of my posts in other sections, you would know that I am rabidly anti-elite--in fact, I started a thread asking when the time for killing our leaders could/should begin.

There is no conspiracy against black people. The genetic differences are real, and they are part of the issue, though as I've said before are not the primary issue--economy and culture are the biggest factors holding the blacks back.

 

Many Muslims really are dark-skinned. It may not appear that way because they don't always wear the garb, so they look like they belong to the black group anyway. The ones people call "brown" is an attempt to label some as non-white/non-western/other.

Skin color, in many societies, is associated with class and wealth. The darker one is, the worse they're perceived, converse for the lighter one is ("Black" people included)

 

No they all don't. Some groups are pretty fractured and scattered all over the place. Some groups are crammed together (in some places) through policy and not because they opted to be around each other. So, many people really aren't together.

 

Yes, it is definitely part of it. Many of these guys circulate dollars in their communities by shopping at their own shops, eating at their own restaurants, and trying to support each other's business ventures as much as possible.

 

When can you prove Japanese are more grouped together than other ethnic groups, and that 'watching out' raises IQ?

 

To the first part of your question, the Japanese are nationalistic.

To the second part, watching out doesn't raise IQ. Watching out dictates that the members are to support one another first and foremost. The group is able accumulate resources to do more things to help enhance that community.

 

There are government documents written on how to undermine and attack black citizens. There are people who have uncovered some of these schemes. Also, there have been/are elected and appointed officials who propose(d) and enact(ed) bills tailored to attacking black communities.

While you may try to assure that no one is talking about eliminating races, here is where I'm coming from. 1) Some of your lines immediately make me think of the likes of Sanger. 2) You being sincere about the topic won't stop some obsessive sob from using your arguments and 3) every race that had a case ran against them is either eliminated or grossly unrecognizable from their ancestors (elimination through breeding out).

So, imho, having a so-called debate on race and IQ is just a precursor for a bored group of people wanting to put another race under its belt.

 

What documents? What officials? If so, it can't be but a tiny fraction of the government.

Yeah, I sound like Sanger sometimes. I actually like some eugenic concepts because I think (know) we can improve society. That doesn't mean it has much of anything to do with race.

 

Are you sure it's not because lighter people tend to be more cold climate adapted, which the cold climate put higher natural selection pressures on intellect?

 

What country are you moving to?

 

What documents?
You can find some of these documents on the FBI website. There are over 20 here:
https://vault.fbi.gov/cointel-pro/cointel-pro-black-extremists

Gary Web, an investigative journalist published the "Dark Alliance" documenting the CIA's smuggling of drugs into the black community.

What officials?
The FBI director at the time. J. Edgar Hoover. The resources dedicated to dismantling the programs black citizens set up for self sufficiency and separation were attacked from a very resourceful part of the government.

I believe the subject has everything to do with race. No one ever brings up the IQ subject without trying to tie race into it. Heck, even this thread's subject has "Race/IQ" in it...

 

No, perceptions are taught or learned.

But let me throw something out there. Asians have IQs ranging from upper 80s to over 100. A gap like that for a single race of people should allow room for people to consider that maybe IQ is influenced by location/environment and culture. Even if we consider cold climate adaption, it makes the argument for environment stronger even though that environment may influence genetics later on. Sort of like a cycle that can be changed depending on the environment.

 

I don't think many people deny that there's environmental impacts on IQ, it's that environment doesn't seem to be enough to account for the disparities which seem to also be genetic.

 

There's IQ, and PISA score disparities between European countries.

There's quite a big IQ, and PISA score disparity between the Balkans - South Italy, and Central - North Europe.

This seems to be heavily genetic.

Greece is doing worse than some poorer countries in Europe in IQ scores, and PISA scores.

Of course Greece is genetically like Balkan peoples, and Southern Italians, and they still don't do so well on IQ, and PISA scores despite Greece being richer than countries who do better on IQ, and PISA scores such as Estonia, Poland, Hungary, Czech, and Russia etc.

Although the IQ - PISA disparities between Albania, and Greece are most likely environmental though.

As it's no secret that Albania is very poor, while Greece is not.