What are we going to do about the homeless?

Of course. I'm pointing out that many Leftists think socialism is great.

 

There should be no cash involved at all. Nor cash-proxies which can be traded. Just rations of fresh produce and grains, plus basics like milk and eggs. Maybe low sodium canned fish for protein. Tiny house 'towns' are a good idea, but they'd have to be kept to a very high standard, and there would have to be zero tolerance of drugs and alcohol, with no smoking indoors etc. Food gardens would be mandatory, and all residents required to labour in same.

 

that's what I am talking about!!

 

This is not an analysis of the decision that must be made.

 

And if you built them, they'd be half empty .. or worse.

But that wouldn't matter, because the genuine people would use them. The perfect way to qualify someone for any further assistance. If they refuse the tiny house village, you could safely assume they're not genuine.

 

Before anyone choose to propose that method of food support, they need to show how they are resolving the issues that caused the past system to fail.

 

That decision has to be made by the individual.

 

What did cause it to fail?

Was it someone coming along and declaring that giving people money was 'kinder'?

 

Everybody is in favor of socialized solutions.

That does NOT mean they are interested in socialism.

 

Come on WRM .. now you're gettin' silly.

 

Not my job.

If someone wants to propose that, THEY need to show why their system avoids the reasons that past versions failed.

 

You made statements about socialism.

I'm pointing out that you can not back that up.

 

True. But, YOU are trying to sell a solution.

If you had any experience in business, you would know that you need to understand your potential customers.

 

I think a major thing that could be done is to quit selling legalized drugs. Homelessness has gone up at larger rates in the states with legalized marijuana. I also think that pulling the bottle out of peoples mouths will help as well. Cutting back on government assistance will force motivate some.

 

Interesting - but, I need a cite for that claim about legalized pot.

I don't see any legitimacy to this idea that we can starve families into working harder.

 

Are you aware that our unemployment rate, our unemployment insurance claims and our number of unemployed people are ALL lower than they have been for at least 20 years?

 

Are you aware of the workforce participation rate? There is an equilibrium between the two that is currently offset. You can never go off of one number

 

So beer drinkers are "deplorables"?? I usually drink scotch or 7/7 on poker night

I know where you're coming from, I know the education you received - and it shows through in your posts.

As for whether you're a collectivist, I'll retract that as being a bit harsh; but at the same time someone should tell you that you're carrying water for "the cause".

Communists/Marxists, would refer to you, and all Democrats and leftwing flavored saber rattlers, as "useful idiots".

The term is theirs, not mine.

That said, pretty much everything you argue for is, in some way or another, useful to the overall cause of destroying America's western/Christian culture, and with it our Constitution and liberty.

You can argue about what terms like socialism, marxism, and collectivism really mean, but in the end the Establishment doesn't care in what way you assist them in their efforts to overthrow our society, all they care about is that you are aiding in the subjugation of your own liberty, and are none the wiser about it.

I began reading TASS and Pravda back on the 70's, and have been a student of subversion tactics for 40 years. I've worked in the field professionally, but walked away because of stress and the hopelessness of it all.

Take heart, America will be completely dead within a decade. The Constitution will be overthrown, and we will be hit with economic collapse, terrorism, and war.

So what will you cheer for when the day comes when your Party has total power?? Contrained by no law?? Round up the knuckle draggers, the "deplorables" whom you are constantly told by the state-run media are the problem??

Round them up and put them in gulags until something more permanent can be worked out??

You're on a very slippery slope - but you don't see it.

 

You sure about that??

Bernie Sanders, AOC and the rest of those leftwing nuts, BLM (outright Marxists) ACLU is still controlled by the radical left, the NEA just ran some ads in New Jersey saying parents who object to their children being indoctrinated are "extremists" - nice, huh??

There is no shortage of crazy on the left - and make no mistake, they are after blood. Their ideology killed 100's of millions in the past 100 years, what makes you think they've changed.

The 21st century will be the bloodiest and most murderous in all of recorded history.

The writing is on the wall, how is it so few people can read it??

 

I said, quite correctly, that many American Progressive Leftists think socialism is great.

You claimed no Americans want socialism. Patently untrue.

 

What?

 

Since we pay taxes that impossible.

 

I am thinking hunger will help them get over that hump!

 

This thread had wandered a bit, but I guess they all do.
Let's talk about the subject, what to do about homelessness.

First- ask yourself if you could take care of yourself if you had no other demands. Just you- one person, taking care of one person. Not too much to ask.
Now- what if each and every one of us did just that. We didn't create extended obligations (like children) until we were ready and capable of supporting them too.
IF we did that, held each person responsible for themselves- who would be left uncared for?

That's where it starts- individual responsibility. To maximize what you can produce, minimize your needs to the point of balance.
That is the inherent and natural obligation of every living thing. Nature's law.

The role of society and government does alter the landscape of course. Let's say you found a rock in the way on the path of life. A person responsible for themselves either moves it or finds a way around it, so the journey can continue. One who reject that responsibility sits down and complains, and waits for someone else to move the rock. They perceive that outside factors, not themselves- is responsible for their inability to make progress. Government promises to come and move the rock for that person, and feed them while they wait. So- that person votes for the government as the solution to their problem.

Nature deals with this a bit differently. That person is free to sit and wait, feel sorry for themselves- but no free meals or assistance is coming. Eventually, that person will either decide that they must do for themselves, or die waiting and starving. Hunger is a motivator. A free lunch is not. There is a huge difference in the results between a hand-up to people to get them back on their feet and a hand-out which makes it unnecessary for them to try. Government's objectives here should be to insure that opportunity continues to exist.

If you look around your house, you will find an amazing number of things that you own that are made in China- and no longer made at all in the USA. Clothing, shoes, your cell phone and all your electronics, your tools, even if they have major US brands on them. Even the sheet rock on the walls may well be sourced from China. We have literally out-sourced our fundamental manufacturing capacity, making us as a nation dependent on others. Not a wise thing to do. As for technology, every one of us has called for tech support and found ourselves talking to someone speaking chinglish or some strange dialect in India or indonesia. We don't even keep our tech support at home. We do have plenty of jobs for the people who have no skills... and sadly, that sector is growing, while the skilled ones are not. Every fast-food store has the "now hiring" sign up.

Point is- government policies haven't worked well to keep our economy strong and our people well educated and skilled, so we could be independent This is what the homeless people lack; the ability to be independent in a system that has failed to remember that the strength of the nation is the combined strength of the people. Whatever we do to help the homeless- it should serve to restore their ability to help themselves, rather than subsidize their failure.

 

The problem is this is all being done deliberately.

What you are witnessing is, to use the old Soviet term, Active Measures, i.e. the destabilization and overthrow of a society.

It can't be reversed because 1) so few people understand what is happening; and, 2) our leaders (misleaders) are on the payroll of those pushing for our destruction.

Things are bad now, but this is just the beginning of the final phase. Things are going to get much worse.