What are we going to do about the homeless?

Last time I heard our local housing authority determined that 87% of street homeless here are drug addicts. So they are homeless because of their drug addiction, there are shelters for them as well as free rehab programs, but they refuse to use it and legally people can't force them into rehab.

The solution is to restore the duty to care laws and force people into institutional care where to get out they have to successfully complete a program and then move I to bridging housing. Also we need to admit decriminalization of hard drugs has been a complete failure.

 

where’s the fun in that?

 

You could be the one pulling the trigger.

 

Failure or not, it's not up to the government to police people from themselves.
Body autonomy is a natural right.

Besides, if legalized, the taxes could go toward the solution of those who can't police themselves. Along with the fact it could be regulated better.

 

Yes. Check out the top 20 lowest rates of homelessness per capita. It's a comprehensive Wiki.

There are very good reasons for the low rates of course, but of course those motivated to perpetuate the problem will always ignore those reasons.

 

The same things that still work .. whether you're in Thailand, Switzerland, Russia, or Bhutan.

Intact families and communities. Personal responsibility. Answerability.

 

How is it just, if the proverbial rich man who gambled all his money away, can access subsidised housing .. while the guy up the street who's worked honourably all his life, has to pay market rate? This is the injustice of making it all about income, instead of personal integrity.

 

I think its more about networking. The personal integrity is part of those physics. Keeping your word, good credit, etc.

 

i pull triggers all the time, better we let them free to see the ocean and beyond. They could meet aquaman or Poseidon.

 

Someone in this thread said that investment real estate didn't always exist as it does today. There were laws against it. So, to fix things we should just put the laws back into place.

But Democrats don't seem to want that because they want to move everyone into a small apartment and reduce their carbon footprint. But, the apartments aren't cheap either and will result in draining the life savings of everyone until they depend on the government to pay the rent after all of their money is gone.

Anyway, I'm starting to think that investment real estate is something of a scam since I have been watching several videos on YouTube of China's crisis of unfinished housing units, and the disappearance of people's money through pyramid scheme lending practices between the banks, the government, and the developers, a house of cards that is now all falling apart there.

I thought that such affordable suburbs outside of a few coastal cities were not welcoming of strangers coming from the few coastal cities and bringing their politics with them?

And even if the homeless hunker down (Until the tornados hit!!!), I don't think that forcing them to work the hard labor of farm work without an income is a suitable outcome for America. Family farms are over and have been for years now, and also they would still have to earn enough to pay land taxes even if they could survive on farming.

 

Most of them grew up with that and they decided to throw it away for some reason.

What you're attempting to do here is to blame the choices of individuals on society at Large

 

1) Make property investment illegal or very difficult, and see what happens. Where will the 35% of Americans who rent, find housing? That's about 122 million people. The only reason it worked in the past, was because almost everyone owned their own place.

2) No govt can house a third of their citizens, and remain a democracy. Free housing can only be bought with freedom. Those who saw the inevitable (and we all did) but chose to do nothing to prepare themselves for it, will have to deal with the consequences of that choice. The govt is not going to save us. No one is coming to save us.

 

And there's your answer. That's why things are rapidly deteriorating. People will not do what they need to do, to survive. They expect someone else to do that hard work for them.

 

I would not like to live in an institution if I didn't have access to a computer and the internet. The type of facility required to house the un-housable more resembles a kindergarten jailcell playground than a beautiful garden spot. I don't believe it will be nice.

 

I really like this angle, and I wasn't aware of this before. I'd like to know more. How did we come to lose affordable real estate in search of the almighty dollar (and putting that dollar into the back pockets of politicians to get them onboard).

 

I disagree. For over a century we did have a duty to care (democrats got rid of that in the 1970's based mainly upon watching a movie "one flew over the cocoons nest) and restoring that legal obligation as well as the ability to force obviously irrational people who cannot or will not care for the selves would be a wonderful step forward.

 

The president could probably do it with an executive order, and he's probably the only one who could do it. Unlikely to happen, however.

I hear that rehab is just a Jesus group that depends on religion and peer pressure to try and turn them away from drinking or whatever. I'm not sure that's an effective treatment.

What might help is if they can legalize drugs so that the medical environment can ease them off of hard drugs slowly. And maybe develop shots to stop the effects of drugs on the body. I know that for one drug they already have it, the police use it on overdose victims all of the time. I forgot what it's called and what drug, though.

 

Yes, it's all the fault of the investment/profit motive. A capitalist failing. But I sure don't want socialism instead!

Of course, this is just the next step toward the destruction of wealth and a downwards spiral of a money-drain black hole. First they came for people's pension. Then they came for stock market investments. Soon it will be real estate investments too! The last being the final doom of the rich.

 

There are a lot of agreements in place that the government can't move away from. The green agenda, of course. But also water rights between the US and Mexico.

 

The only thing that works so far is busing the homeless out and leaving someone else to deal with them.

 

There is already not enough housing for everyone. There are only so many mega-rich people in America that would justify maximizing the value and cost of converting all housing to the max.

And there needs to be worker's housing to provide services to these high-cost areas.

If something isn't done the investment real estate industry will go crying to the government for a bailout. And the government will do it because they are afraid of the consequences of not helping a too big to fail industry.

 

However, Americans are mostly go-getters, and not as lazy as the rest of the world.

 

Throw billions at it. Cities need more slush funds; politicians and their politically connected cronies need more cash. Homeless is *big* business in the cities now and it's an endless cash cow that will never be solved because it's too valuable.

Federal politicians have war to make money from. State politicians have big unions, big corps, etc. City politicians have homelessness that urban residents have proven all too willing to throw endless treasure at.

 

To put simply (because the complicated version would be more like a college class that I'm not qualified to teach...), the govt is tasked with controlling us to a limited extent to keep society functioning. The corporations want to control us completely because we're wasteful and bothersome. At some point along the way, govt and corporations decided to stop fighting over who gets to be in control of us and instead ally to make the task easier for both of them. The ultimate means to controling people is controlling the resources they need to survive. Those resources come from the land. So they seek to control all the land. If they take it by force, we will fight back and win by attrition. But if they make us a deal...

 

That actually makes sense, at least the part about cutting off their gubmint teat. If someone is facing a real choice of starvation or getting off their ass and getting a job, any job, sooner than humanly possible, and two would be even better, that might take a bite out of the problem. That doesn't apply just to people without a roof over their heads, it applies to most people sucking on that giveaway teat because they'd rather sit at home and eat bon-bons all day than do actual work!?!

But no, our politicians, especially those of a leftist persuasion will just throw even more money at the problem, and it won't work now just like it hasn't worked for the past 8 decades give or take.

I mean, look at what just happened. The CBO came out with a warning that if we keep spending like we have been, it's going to be a disaster (I believe the term they used was "unsustainable"), so what does Congress do? They pass a bill to spend yet another 3/4ths of a TRILLION DOLLARS!!! And the talk of using the funds from auditing the evil rich tax evaders to reduce the budget deficit is laughable, because it'll never happen. Even if by some miracle the anticipated revenues actually materialize, they'll just find something else to spend it on.

They remind me of me in my teens and early 20s, if I had $50 in my pocket and payday was in a few days, I'd literally find something, anything, to spend that $50 on just for sh*ts and giggles. Never even occurred to me that maybe paying that $50 against one of my credit card bills might be a better idea. I would literally go to a random store, not needing anything, not wanting anything, and walk around until I found a way to get rid of that money like it was a disease I was trying to cure.

And that is our US Congress.