What did Russia do to the election again?

Oh we know, we just may never accept.

 

I agree, and what's worse than idle speculation is the purely fictional fantasy that the FBI, CIA and NSA have exposed any subverting of the US presidential election as you yourself cannot even entertain a theory as to what exactly the Russians did.

There may be more evidence that Mexico may have had much more of an an undue influence in the election than Russia in the form of millions of legal and illegal aliens from Mexico and other nations who cast illegal bogus votes for Hillary Clinton in all 50 states.

It is imperative that those who have been assigned to protect the United States against such foreign attacks be allowed to stop them from voting illegally.

 

You and Putin may not like to have the Trump Justice Department Special Counsel investigating the 2016 elective improprieties, but most Americans recognize that diligent scrutiny is essential to our national interests.

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IMPOSSIBLE. Both Putin and Assange swear there was no collusion. Hillary lost the election on 2 levels:

1). She is incompetent.
2). Her criminal behaviour, the proof of which there are thousands of her own e-mails released by Wikileaks

Those who saw her incompetence would never have voted for her anyway - and those who were considering voting for her changed their minds once her criminal behaviour became public knowledge

* She screwed herself and never had a chance.

 

, trump is right...his uneducated supporters would defend him if he suit someone in fifth avenue. By the way they investigated Hillary non stop...8 alone on benghazi, but yet you don’t want our enemy who we know manipulated our democracy to be investigated.
I have to laugh, mueller who is one of the most respected men is put down but the real swamp rat trump is cool. Oh, how Trumpl knew his supporters.

 

You are actually comical. Only a fool would believe Putin . who is an enemy of our democracy . Are you a communist? Amazing ..I bet you would believe the leader of isis if he said he wants to do no harm.
Yes, a former Secretary of State and a twice elected us senator isn’t competent but a reality tv star is....that’s why he loves the uneducated who are so gullible.
What takes the cake here in stupidity is you believe assange has nothing to do with anything , then say how Wikileaks released her emails. I bet you don’t even see the connection.
Tell us what was so bad in the emails...You must know something because it was investigated so much...but you’re ok with the trump family meeting with Russians to get dirt. No wonder Trump loves people like you. Fortunately you’re in the minority

 

Don’t you ever read a Legitimate newspaper? Millions of illegal aliens from Mexico voted for Hillary? That was debunked over and over and only a fool believes that. Do you really believe that an illegal alien would vote and risk being deported and fined thousands of dollars. I think it is just an excuse for you to spew your bigotry against Mexicans but you will defend our real enemies. Trump knew his base and they actually believe such nonsense. There hasn’t been a shred of evidence that millions of illegals voted . But trump told you to believe it and you do.....so sad.

 

Part of it..and the Russian interference putting propaganda on Facebook etc....

 

Prerogative has nothing to do with it. It is you who thinks proclaiming "Hurrah for our side!" is the only A to Z of any circumstance.

Me, I look at a situation and try not to make hasty decisions. I study the evidence, listen to both sides (judging the logic and what I already know about the source), make a tentative decision and then I try my best to disprove my own conviction. What is left is "what it is". My method is certainly very strange to you.

 

They will grasp at any straw to avoid the reality that Donald Trump beat Hillary Clinton. Remember during the debates and after the debates, how they hounded him on whether or not he would accept the election outcome if Hillary won? Their hypocrisy is astounding. We know it, and the majority know this. Obama heard the rumor about Russian meddling before the election but did not call for an investigation because he thought they may be helping Hillary.

 

He knows what he's done and what he's not done. Even Julian Assange says so. There you have both of them telling you the truth but you'd rather believe the "we have proof of WMD's" crew. Ho-ho. Only a fool would believe them.

You have:
1). No enemy.
2). Very little democracy.

NOTE: if weighing yourself (and democratic principles) against the world - and using that to define "your enemy" then you've gove lots and lots of enemies because you are so far down the list of Democracies that you do not represent Democracy at all:

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What are you, 12 years old?

What is amazing is that you don't know that Wikileaks' record is SPOTLESS.

You still don't know?

What 'dirt' is that?

 

IMO, you are rather naive. I do not believe you have paid attention to the history of our Intel, especially the CIA and NSA. Lying to the People is what they habitually do. And so, if a person is not naive and gullible that person demands evidence for accusations. For their word ain't worth doodley squat. Only the naive would be so trusting. IMO, this is a ruse you want to believe in due to your own blind partisanship. I think my take on this is objective, while yours is far from it.

 

You don't believe that news, fake or otherwise, shared through social media influenced people's thinking? So many people are on Twitbook these days and are directly influenced by what they see there. Many also lock themselves into ideological silos, always filtering their sources of news and information, the things that directly shape their views, opinions, and ultimately voting choices.

Consider this - was it the "MSM" that had you and so many others thinking so negatively about Hillary Clinton, or was it social media and "alternative" media? Plus, that hack and dump at the DNC and the whole email controversy was far more serious and consequential than a bot on Facebook. These things were national news and had an impact on every voter.

 

Any significant evidence, at least one piece would have been leaked by now. We even had Clapper telling us he had seen no evidence. That is because there isn't any evidence of collusion, and apparently no evidence of some great effort russia made to help trump. Wilkileaks who has been trustworthy to date says russians was not their source. VIPS analyzed meta data evidencing the DNC leaks were an inside job, and Amb. Murray from the UK told us that early on, last year. Then MSM went into blackout with Murray. So, the only evidence we have of russian hacking and turning it over to wilkileaks says the opposite. One should just not ignore that the evidence so far does not support this politically driven and deep state driven ruse, a con job, on the gullible.

So, the dangers of russia? What dangers? I do not see such dangers. The major danger that I see comes from my gov't, you know the corporate state gov't? The military industrial complex gov't. The gov't that depends upon lies in order to invade other nations creating a living hell in our wake. And you believe what you are told by this gov't, given their record, is what an utterly naive Rube does. I used to trust my gov't at one time in my life. Back in the 50s and early 60s. But they lost that trust, by their own lying words and actions. No one in their right mind would not question them when they have never shown us any evidence for their accusations. Even the intel report from those 3 agencies, who IMO, cherry picked who gave us their opinion, even that report was high on accusations and devoid of any evidence. It was just an appraisel, barring any evidence. And that is all you have as evidence. Which is zero. This should mean something, except with those that fervently hope for some evidence to quench their partisanship and hatred for trump.

 

You make 2 very interesting points/observations here.

1). "Any significant evidence, at least one piece would have been leaked by now."
EXCELLENT.

2). "Wilkileaks who has been trustworthy to date says russians was not their source"
This reminds me of something I thought of fleetingly last year but then put it out of my mind until now. Washington knows very well that Russia had nothing to do with it, however ...... they don't know who did. My assumption is that they feel if they keep up the pressure by blaming "the innocent" that eventually the balloon will burst to reveal "the real leak". That's what they are after. The FBI, CIA, and NSA are growing ulcers over the fact that they still don't know who leaked! The people who know need to keep buttoned up. Assange (by my reckoning) made a mistake by admitting it wasn't Russia. It may not seem like much but for an organization that prides itself in not giving away its sources ....... saying that it wasn't Russian is a small whittle in the process of elimination of giving up their real source. If I tell you it wasn't Tommy (and there are only 5 people who it could be) then you can now concentrate your efforts and resources on the remaining 4. I don't think the one who did it would be very happy with me if I did that.

 

I knew it...another conspiracy! Be afraid, be afraid.....fear is the best manipulator

 

I disagree. If our National Security State, especially the NSA has no evidence, and apparently they do not, they are just doing the knee jerk reactions towards russia. For it is also what the two parties want, on behalf of their owners who finance their campaigns, and who DC represents. There is much politics involved, but the bent of the deep state, including intel, is to turn russia into a cash cow for intel. They want a great and evil enemy to replace the USSR and the communist revolution which was very good to them in growth and funding.

I don't think people realize, even after being told, of the tremendous power of the National Security State when it comes to sourcing all info that goes over the net or phones. So, if there was hard evidence of what russia is accused of, and trump's campaign, we have the ability to source that. Who do these people think they are trying to fool? Well, the naive and gullible americans. Obviously those that will buy into the official gov't story have not paid attention to their own gov't and intel! Yet, if it was a neighbor who lied to you habitually, you would see that differently. And you would not trust him, unless he verified what he told you with evidence. So, some of us have bipolar minds. But perhaps some of us believe the gov't because we want it to be true, for we hate trump? That would be even worse than being naive and gullible. For there is a lack of honesty and integrity if one believes the ruse, and is not gullible and naive.

 

The fear here is not with me, but with those who are trying to turn russia into some great evil force who is so powerful as to control and choose who is president. lol

SO when I ask for the hard evidence, you reply with another conspiracy? You just failed the test for critical thinking, while also proving you have a big case of amnesia of what our past is in regards to our gov't and intel. That is the fact. So you tell me how you can believe intel which has presented no evidence, given what got us into the invasion of Iraq? One job of the CIA is to lie to the People. By misinfo and disinfo, which is verifiable, unless of course you have amnesia.

Let us hope you are never given the job of jury duty where you might look at no evidence for a crime, and yet convict the innocent anyways. Because the prosecution says he thinks the feller did the crime.

 

Yes, and we have several ongoing investigations to provide that proof

Maybe what you meant to say is that you need tangible proof to be provided to you personally before any investigation may logically proceed....

 

We don't agree that the NSA are fully aware Russia had nothing to do with it?

 

It is strange if you pretend that you have superior intel to the FBI, NSA, CIA, and to the additional details that the Trump Justice Department Special Counsel's expert team, and the Republican-run Senate and Republican-run House's investigative committees have been developing, yes. I await their report. You can enjoy yours.

 

Oh, we certainly agree on that. The NSA has the ability to KNOW. With hard evidence, stored. I do not think everyone here understands the power of the NSA and what those various Acts did to drive this post 1984 National Security State. Hell, with the spying software developed for the CIA, we can make it look like russia hacked any computer, while we did it. In this world, things get real cloudy in a hurry, and can be used by intel to frame anyone they wish. Is our CIA capable of doing such a thing? LOL Are you kidding me? It is what they do. You wanta know how powerful they are? Schumer told us in MSM. They can get a sitting president 6 ways from sunday. And if this is unthinkable, then Schumer would not have brought it up as a warning to trump. lol And yet so many of us pay no attention to what our reality actually is. Instead, they have this Leave it to Beaver mentality when it comes to our gov't and intel, but generally when it serves one of their partisan interests, and or hatred of a president, like trump.

 

Your really sound like a Trump cultist. If you fancy an anti-American conspiracy by the FBI, NSA, CIA, Trump Justice Department Special Counsel, Republican-run Senate investigative committees, and Republican-run House investigative committees, I don't. I find their concurrence more credible than Putin's denials.

 

Everyone including republicans admit Russia interfered with our democracy. There is no question about it. The question is the involvement if any, with the trumps campaign.
Ok...yes the cia is part of a conspiracy to lie to Americans....but the Russians are the good guys. Let’s hope you don’t get on a jury either where you will believe a mass murderer without question because he said he didn’t do anything wrong,