What Do You Gain By Denying Climate Change?

Well, that it AIN'T, there are still the waste issues and well as the transportation issues to and from the plants. And then there are the wealth issues. Let me know when the residents of Key Biscayne or the Hamptons allow nuclear into their cities.

 

We will never use resources efficiently if they are controlled by the 1%. That is kind of the point.

If the 1% have their stake in CO2 causing oil, it won't change.

 

No!! It is clear that MONEY literally stands in the way of innovations and alternatives. "Green" is lobbied against like the dickens.

I'm not naive enough to buy what you're trying to say here. You are obviously being an apologist for the status quo.

Even so, the TONE from you and others WILL change once the 'planet' touches certain lives a bit more 'directly'.

 

That's not true. The reasons why we use oil is because it was a cheaper alternative to every other resource we were using before the discovery of gasoline. And the reason why we have it is because someone in the 1% wanted to provide cheap alternative energy to the common man.

If anyone is willing to provide alternative energy to the common man, they will do it. The only problem is that it is too expensive right now and no one is going to want to purchase it.

 

Right!! Wall Street and 1% types don't think they'll be affected; but it is coming... no one will escape that disaster, if we allow it.

 

Of course. That is exactly what I am saying.

We will not seek "greener" alternatives under capitalism until it becomes more profitable than oil, which will happen as oil supplies run dry. We should all just hope that isn't too late.

Hence, capitalism is currently a one-way ticket to tragedy of the commons. Why are you making excuses for greed destroying our planet?

 

I'm SICK of you and other making excuses for NOT investing in alternatives!!

You won't be satisfied until people are rowing boats down Main Street, America.

You are STUCK in a paradigm that we have virtually no more time to entertain.

 

having our power cost sky rocket from all the regulations to counter the hoax.
yes the earth is warming just like it has for the billions of years the earth has been around. it has heated and cooled heated and cooled over and over again

 

Sadly, everything I've read and heard... says that WOULD be too late.

Just the "Tar Sands" oil, will accelerate things exponentially. I've heard a few scientists warn directly against using that oil, in particular.

 

if there is a need and there is money to be made government doesn't need to get involved the private sector will do the investing
we aren't against the investing. it is our money that is getting invested in a hoax that has us protesting

 

Money is merely a tool people use in exchange for goods and services. If anyone wants money, they have to figure out a way to make you better off as a human being.

We have plenty of innovations and alternatives simply because someone wanted money. From John D Rockefeller to Steve Jobs.

If I was really for the status quo, I would have all of my positions in Oil Futures, which I don't. I'm only explaining why some resources are popular and why some resources are not.

I also do not believe it makes sense to downgrade our standard of living just to achieve an unreachable end. Wealth creates a better environment for everyone. It helps everyone live their lives longer, function in sanitary environments and save finite resources, which was first thought to be limited to only a few years but can now last for generations.

It's only logically to use wealth to help the environment, not the other way around.

 

Is it too much to ask you to address the words I write? I don't recall saying that there no one should invest in alternatives. I do recall saying that they are too expensive to produce, and as a result, are very costly to the consumer.

 

"Row, row your boat gently down the stream." All these leftwing green energy boondoggles that a certain president poured billions upon billions of tax monies into returned to the people of the United States of America precisely . . . zero. "Merrily, merrily, merrily; life is but a dream."

 

We've found alternatives to finite resources for many decades. It's how we have moved from Whale Oil to Kerosene to Crude Oil to Gasoline. It is also how we have moved from Cooper Wire to Fiber Optic Cables.

Economics is all about finding efficient ways to use scarce resources, and this is best done under Capitalism because profits will keep people from doing what is efficient and losses will keep people from doing what isn't.

It's that simple.

 

I think we've got to be careful here with terms. Almost no one denies climate change. We're talking about a couple percent of the regular population, at most, right? What people deny is the global warming theory's explanation of climate change, which is that man is the primary mover. I went over this in some old threads, but a study that actually asked geiscientists what they thought the primary mover of climate change was found that only some 38%, a little more than a third, said mankind.

It's not that people are denying that the climate changes - you'll find more public support for belief in aliens. It's that we (and I include myself) doubt the degree to which alarmists like Al Gore are right, and hold that the climate can change independent of human activity. Otherwise I'd like an explanation for the extinction of the dinosaurs and the start/end of the ice age that includes human activity as the prime mover.

 

What is it about government funded climate models being wrong for the last fifteen years, that's so hard for you guys to understand?

Not too mention that your OP is flawed right off the bat. Nobody is denying that climate changes. The fact that climate has been shifting from one extrem to the other for the last four billion years kinda settles that argument.
Funny how you're parroting man made climate change, as if it's set in stone, when the chicken little crowd has been wrong about trends for over a decade.

How do you reconcile with that fact.

 

Just keep on going the way you are, deniers and status quo lovers.

Reality will speak, soon enough.

 

According to reality you've been wrong for fifteen years.

 

lol! STILL not SURE about THE excessive AND seemingly RANDOM usage OF capital LeTtErS, but moving ON...

of course you come up with some silly bs idea, like rowing boats down Main Stream America, which isn't supported even remotely by the science. It's funny how you're actually the one who has an aversion to science here. See, the oceans have barely risen six inches in over a hundred years. The problem, of course, with your way of thinking is that you assume that nothing can change in that process - that is, unless we have some massive government intervention. I ask you: what massive government intervention ended the mini ice age of a few centuries ago?

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Hopefully to you, mate.

 

Get over it man. As wacky or wrong as it seems to you, it's something I do.

Now, what say you about climate issues?

 

now apart from the also incessant post chopping, you can read my last post - just mentioned some climate issue facts that you apparently want to ignore.

 

What Do You Gain By Denying Climate Change?

Only a fraction of a tiny percent of climate change (global warming) is being caused by human activity. So little in fact that it is negligible. Climate change is indeed happening and has been for millions of years. It is cyclical and natural.


The Democratic Party of the United States has seized on the issue to terrify and demand more taxes from the populace to "protect" them from the ravages of climate change which they claim is caused by mankind.

These wicked, liberal lies also inflict severe and costly burdens on citizens such as an array of phony alternative "green" fuels, and refusing to allow the nation to drill, dig and nuke, etc., etc.

A better question is what do you gain by embracing climate change?

 

That's pretty par for the course when it comes to Johnny Two step. He'll try to tap dance around one sentence, while completely ignoring the rest of your post.

 

Just wow.

Your post is so full of non-thought and so full of agitprop I don't know where to begin. I thought this site was enlightened, not a FOX news outlet.

CO2 is a greenhouse gas. Man has increased CO2. The Atmosphere is still warming as anticipated, but warming has slowed because of an lack of understanding of how nature would react.

Why has warming slowed. The Ocean has acted as a heat sink, ice is melting, and the Chinese have been burning high sulfur coal. Would be just a few answers.

As far as your comment, " The Earth has always changed" Yes it has, but when it changes rapidly, life get close to being wiped out. The climate changed for the Dinosaurs, they didn't make out too well did they?

Over the last three million years, the CO2 levels have remained fairly constant at 260 ppm. Life evolved to be suited to that level of CO2. Man has increased that level to 380 ppm and will have increased it to 500 ppm by 2040. Nature will respond.

 

Why believe in GW when it it put forth by a bunch of leftwing liars with a political agenda?