What is the AR-15 designed for?

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  1. Xenamnes

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    And pray tell how precisely is an AR-15 rifle intended to be used, that makes it unsuitable for hunting?

    The AR-15 can easily be adapted for various sizes of game, by swapping out the upper receiver to chamber smaller or larger rounds. Rounds such as the .450 Bushmaster, .458 SOCOM and .50 Beowulf all replicate the ballistics of nineteenth century rounds used for hunting buffalo.

    http://www.theboxotruth.com/can-a-cheap-ar-15-be-accurate-lots-of-pics/

    A five shot group less than one inch across at one hundred yards.

    You would venture wrong. The only ones who have not fired an AR-15 are those in foreign countries, who have little choice but to learn how to effectively snap the neck of someone that is threatening them with great bodily harm.
     
  2. Mike12

    Mike12 Well-Known Member

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    how many gun deaths occur in China a year? a country with a much larger population. Why is it that China has almost no gun related deaths?
     
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    And you know this just how?
     
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    Silly comparison. Apples to oranges but expected.
     
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    The AR-15 was initially designed for the USAF as a light fast firing weapon that would operate under various weather conditions to be used by Air Force APES (that is what we called Air Policemen) and the specs called for a semi automatic weapon. The prime mover for the AR-15 was USAF General bombs away LeMay of WW II and SAC fame. At that time the APES used Thomson Submachinr guns or M-1 carbines which were only .30 cal and of course the Thommis were .45cal. Obviously both of these were designed in the 1930,s.

    The AR -15 was eventually enhanced with burst automatic fire capabilities and designated as the M-16.

    Same caliber. .223

    I almost forgot the use of the AR15 for the USAF was for guard duty on the flight live of SAC , and ADC aircraft.
     
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    It's designed for this:

    [video=youtube;XCZ2V4St5t0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCZ2V4St5t0[/video]
     
  8. Hoosier8

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    Not sure about your history but the M16 first had automatic fire that was changed to 3 burst fire.
     
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    I urge people to avoid military/"assault" looking firearms where possible. A 1950s semi-auto Remington 30.06 with a machined on muzzlebrake, weighted wood stock and - possibly - extended magazine doesn't look much more than a slightly larger 22, but you could hunt brown bear and moose with it. AR15s do look warrish and military, and have been branded as the kook's gun, like it or not. 99.9% of the time this won't matter, but to some jurors it might.

    I remember some years ago some company came out with a .22LR with a windup canister that held hundreds of shells and could fire at a astronomical thousands of rounds a minute with very little recoil, literally drilling thru steel with jacketed mere 22 rounds. The Texas highway patrol was going to test switching from .223 mini 14s to those, but decided not to. First, inevitably one would get stolen and then they'd be hell to pay. Second, they didn't want a trooper to have to explain why he shot someone 87 times, though in only a 2 or 3 burst. Good thinking.

    There's a lot of folks who still believe for general all purpose everything, you still can't beat the old M1 30.06. The 30.06 round is the best at nothing and outstanding at everything. Too bad they had to go .308 NATO with the M1A with its magazine design.
     
  10. JakeJ

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    Yeah, let's become China, such a wonderful place. First, let starting by paying Americans those great Chinese wages - oh, and let's adopt China's level of tolerance of radical Muslims too. Of course, the forum will have to be shut down...
     
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    DPS standard issue rifle is the Bushmaster M4 carbine in 5.56.
     
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    Yes I stand corrected the 16 did come with the semi or full auto option at first. We were trained to not use full auto but if we did we got a little gone go practice trying to fire "burst" manually. I had very little success keeping my bursts to 3-4 shots manually. Going full auto was foolish any way. Us AirFirce types were only privy to 20 round magazines and we God to use black electrical tape to take two 20,s together. Some guys got medical tape from sick call which some said worked better than electrical tape.
     
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    I don't remember the capabilities of the M16 when I was in the AF in the early 70s since we only shot 20 rounds in basic. All I can tell you is I was such a good shot that my target had 21 holes. LOL
     
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    That's an lol and a half.
     
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    Um, I was 11B in the mid 80's, my M16 had semi and auto. And none of us grunts had any problem with 3 round bursts so I don't know if you had an Air Force problem or what, but... there you go.
     
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    What was also funny was the speech we got before getting on the firing line. Evidently for our instructor LSD flashbacks were a problem. Evidently he wanted to make sure we hadn't done any since one troop did and fired off all his 20 in auto while in a flashback which probably answers my question about auto fire.
     
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    Let me see how this reads with a couple of words changed

    Stop attacking Muslims for the crimes of others. They are not to blame. Million upon millions of Muslims simply go about thier lives in peace: hunting, shooting targets, having fun shooting melons, whatever.

    Truth is more guns = more gun deaths.
     
  18. JakeJ

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    A Marine squad leader in the Helman (sp?) district in Afghanistan and in combat on occasion stated they never used 3 round burst. Ever. Their one full auto was for just laying down cover fire and otherwise they acted upon the 1 shot - 1 kill concept and he had his squad do the same. Then again, he was a lifelong farmboy hunter who usually had a single shot rifle or shotgun. He said no Afghanistani could shoot worth s... because they just spray out bullets.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Less legal guns = more rapes, more murders, more home invasions and more robberies.
     
  19. SiNNiK

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    Memories. They sure are nice. Sometimes.
     
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    I remember thinking about that during AIT, less wasted shots, ammo lasts longer, but I guess it depends on environment. My Uncle served in Vietnam in the Green Berets, two tours, never talked about it much, until I joined the Army. Then he told me a couple stories, but one thing he said I remember, he and his guys always used full auto, because you couldn't even see 10 feet into the jungle to aim at the attacking viet cong.
     
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    I have a bunch-more than a dozen. add my wife and son in-probably two dozen. Might get some more. the more sold to the public, the less likely the USSC can pretend they aren't in Common Use
     
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    What a total load of BS.

    From the FBI Uniform Crime Report, when a weapon is used in a homicide, only about 3% of those times is it a rifle or any kind. In fact, rifles account for fewer killings than any other weapon, more people are killed by being kicked and beaten with fists then by rifles.

    The most popular rifle in the USA, owned by many millions of people, is the least used by criminals.

    You FAIL.
     
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    You mean a response that does not fit into your preconceptions.
    Fact is, there have been innumerable "reasonable responses" to which you have yet to provide a counterpoint that does not involve you simply repeating yourself.
    But, that's what happens when you copy ans paste someone's talking points.
     
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    Except in the US, where the opposite is true.
    But, you know that.
     
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    We know what weapons he used.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...sed-was-not-an-ar-15-that-doesnt-change-much/
     

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