What is the purpose of unsolicited ballots being distributed?

I agree with this change, but it's too late to do this election, but future ones for sure

"South Carolina GOP asks Supreme Court to reinstate mail-in ballot witness requirement"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...4dd598-040d-11eb-b7ed-141dd88560ea_story.html

"South Carolina Republicans asked the Supreme Court on Thursday to reinstate the witness signature requirement for mail ballots ahead of the November election, extending the legal turmoil over the rule even as tens of thousands of ballots have been sent to voters across the state."

they can give the post office more funding, so they can notarize ballots for people

 

No, your pitch is that it is fraudulent. That is what's bogus.

 

So, you are saying that since I cannot assume I am 10 ft. tall (I'll hold off on the irresistible part) I can assume that your stats do not account for undiscovered fraudulent ballots. I didn't think so.

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I have never seen such timing, as we have seen in this political season.

This is today's news:

"A federal judge in Montana on Wednesday rejected an effort by President Donald Trump’s re-election campaign and Republican Party groups to block Montana counties from holding the general election mostly by mail, saying claims that such a system could be marred by widespread voter fraud is “a fiction.”

“When pressed during the hearing in this matter, the plaintiffs were compelled to concede that they cannot point to a single instance of voter fraud in Montana in any election during the last 20 years,” U.S. District Judge Dana Christensen wrote.

He added: “Importantly, Montana’s use of mail ballots during the recent primary election did not give rise to a single report of voter fraud.”

There have been other decisions with the same result. My favorite was a case in Virginia when the judge asked the state to provide evidence, and they didn't have a single case they could submit as evidence. They got laughed out of court.

The idea that there are large numbers of fraudulent ballots that got missed is nuts. Seriously, either you have no idea about what you're talking about, or...

 

The argument as I see it, is that the information on voter rolls can be very outdated, meaning that dead people can be sent a ballot.

 

How many are you saying that it "ballooned" to? According to this article, it is 9 in total, with five of them (not "just 2 or 3" as you said) doing it before this election: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/14/politics/80-million-unsolicited-ballots-fact-check/index.html

 

Yeah, but the person who returns it could be a perfectly legit voter, thinking that the ballot was actually intended for them.

What did Obama say? I assume that he was challenged on it, even though the majority of the media isn't honest enough to have challenged their GOD!

What is?

 

Why the hell would someone vote if they didn't request a ballot? And how is being sent one going to change their mind and vote?

Aren't you saying that every registered voter receiving a ballot increases voter turnout, and therefore this is why Republicans don't like this form of mail-in voting?

Oh - when you said "Democrats favor "Get out the vote" initiatives" I thought you meant their OWN initiatives.

I do, and when you say that Republicans are conspiring to suppress voters, you are promoting one.

 

And is there some sort of unique identifier on each of them?

 

You still haven't said what the value is in automatically sending everyone a ballot, when requesting one is easy.

 

Do you now know what I'm talking about?

 

Can't Republicans ALSO ballot harvest?

 

Huh? So you think that people who don't request a mail-in ballot don't want to vote...

That's hilarious!

 

No, people who don't want to vote, don't want to vote. If someone votes in person, then why do they need to be sent a ballot?

 

MI AG Charges Far-Right Hoaxsters For Robocalls With False Vote-By-Mail Claims

Jack Burkman and Jacob Wohl — a President Trump-loving duo who were behind a series of notoriously outlandish schemes to smear Trump’s opponents — face felony charges for their alleged involvement in robocalls that spread false claims about voting by mail.

Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel unveiled the charges Thursday. Among them are charges of voter intimidation and conspiracy to commit an election law violation.

“Any effort to interfere with, intimidate or intentionally mislead Michigan voters will be met with swift and severe consequences,” Nessel said. “This effort specifically targeted minority voters in an attempt to deter them from voting in the November election.”

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/wohl-burkman-robocalls-charges

Another example of Repubs cheating to win.

 

Is there some sort of paper shortage where you live, that you are so concerned about people ripping up a ballot and throwing it in the garbage?

 

Again, for about the hundredth time ...

No election systems is 100% secure.

People will always find ways to cheat any system. Trump has made a career out of cheating or gaming systems and rules. But voting by mail-in ballot is not, has never been, prone to widespread fraud.

I live in Colorado, where voting by mail has been the norm sor several election cycles. Here are the fraud statistics:

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/search?state=CO

Trump has his supporters all spun up over this because he knows he's losing.

 

Yes, dead people sometimes receive ballots. So. The. Eff. What.?

Not enough to sway an election, even if someone manages to successfully forge the dead person's signature.

I'm tired of trying to educate Trump's supporters on the facts. I'll not be returning to this thread.

 

And the mailman, and the 10 year old kids taking family mail to the mailbox, the 12 year old neighbor kids stealing that mail from the mailbox, the dog, drunkards selling votes for a dime, Democrats, and the guy who goes around cutting people's power lines; because, you know, it's possible.

 

I guess Democrats are smarter, much better at this than Republicans. That's why Trump can't find any. They're invisible. Lol.

Yes, that case involves North Carolina's 9th congressional district. Repeating this operation at the magnitude necessary to throw a presidential election pretty much guarantees detection, IMO. Especially if done by Republicans.

 

I thought it was about 11 but am not certain. The 2 or 3 I stated have had universal mail-in balloting for a few years. There has been a couple that started universal balloting this year but prior to this November election.

BTW, just between you and me, I put little to no credence on Factcheck, especially as reported by CNN.

 

If you're going to do mail-in voting only, you have to mail ballots, just like if you do in-person voting only, you have to set up polling stations. Turnout is irrelevant.

After 7 years of voting by mail, Colorado voters aren't taken in by absentee ballot drama

Part of the national drama swirling around the Nov. 3 general election is centered on voting by mail.

But that’s not the case in Colorado.

While some states will be sending ballots to all voters for the first time in response to the COVID-19 pandemic and the potential health risks of in-person voting, all registered Colorado voters have been receiving ballots by mail since 2013.

 

Maybe, maybe not. In any event what is there to prevent that guy from now voting twice?

Obama (administration) simply said the a state cannot coordinate analysis of their voter rolls with another state. Of course Obama was not questioned let alone challenged by the media. Nor was he strongly challenged by the states -- they just whined and complained -- because he was clearly in the legal right.

I meant that the actual implementation and execution of the mail-in balloting process is magnitudes more error and fraud prone than the theorists believe or state.

 

Yes, they can. They are just not as prone because they don't like it. Though Republicans here and there are not immune from fraud.

 

What is the purpose of unsolicited ballots being distributed?

I'm with you on the unsolicited ballots. I don't understand why a ballot would be sent to anyone who didn't request one. If a person is not interested enough to ask for a ballot maybe they shouldn't even be voting.

And, as you mention, what happens to the ballots of those who have died? Or, those who have moved? Those who have changed their name. If someone has not asked for a ballot don't sent them a ballot.

I received a post card from my state saying registered voters can go to their polling place or can request a ballot be sent to them. The card also told those not registered how to go about getting registered. No where have I seen where my state will be sending unsolicited mail-in ballots.

 

Well they may have to START liking it, in order to achieve a level playing field.