What is the solution to mass shootings in America?

The crowd that was recently dispersed was not made up of predominantly 6 year olds.

 

Urban dwellers have, for the most part, given up their ability to live independently of the state, and so they understandably lobby for more state control over freedoms and rights. It occurs to me that the dividing line on gun control vs the 2A may be more drawn on urban/rural lines than on liberal/conservative lines.

But, to the question posed in the OP, the bottom line is this: Unless we are willing to give up our freedoms and liberties to live under some urban-model nanny/police-state security fantasy, we will never be able to prevent mass murders. Further, unless we are willing to allow the state to incarcerate people based on "suspicion of future violence", we cannot prevent people from doing violent things.

So, from that perspective, the price we pay for our freedom is the reluctant acceptance that, occasionally, a free person will use their freedom to do violent things... and sometimes VERY violent things.

 

Straw man argument. Are you deny those older than six years old are human? Let's face facts: Human life is not sacred. Most people don't give a rat's ass if thousands of foreigners die in the desert. That's their problem, not ours. I'm simply telling the truth and pointing out the hypocrisy of all of those who claim "life is sacred" when talking about allowing Americans abortions but turn a blind eye to foreigners dying outside our borders.

Let's be honest. Life is not sacred, but some believe American life is sacred.

 

How about life is sacred but only American lives are my responsibility?

Your argument seems to be based on hoards of 6 yr olds attempting to come here alone and being turned back. Bullshit. and enforcing the border does not indicate that we don't hold human life inviolable, our laws prove that. Even so, there are limits on everything in life and just how much one group is bound to give to another.

 

At least 173 people have been killed in mass shootings in the United States involving AR-15s. I think America needs to ban AR-15s and mass shooters are less lethal when they are forced to use hunting rifles instead. Most hunting rifles only hold three to five rounds, making it impossible to commit mass shootings.

 

Over what period of time?
Over that period of time, how many people were murdered with handguns?
What did the SCotUS say about banning handguns?

Answer these questions honestly and correctly, and you'll see your argument is, at best, ignorant and silly.

 

I will agree with that. That is why we have borders. We genocide our children, don't think these ones who want to kill others for no reason are TAUGHT to have no value to life.
In Nam, you are right. I only cared about American life MY OWN and my SQUAD!.

 

I wish I could "like" this post more than once.

 

Something is making people want to kill their neighbors. That something is not guns.

 

Yeah, as if mass murder is new. Imo, the main thing that has changed is the technology...including trucks and airplanes

 

So in your opinion those kids will die if they are turned away.

 

No. In my opinion, those who claim "life is sacred" don't give a damn if those kids die or not.

 

Nice try at playing the "war hero" card, but the fact remains pro-lifers only care about American embryos, fetuses, etc. They don't give a damn about any other human lives.

TBH, that is fine with me. All I'm asking is for them to be honest too. You kind of did. You are concerned about the "genocide" of "our children" but state "don't think these ones who want to kill others for no reason are TAUGHT to have no value to life". Do you mean the lives of Muslim or Mexican children have less value because of their parents or geography of birth?

I consider myself very, very lucky to have been born in America, but that is a pure accident of birth. It doesn't make me better. Even a starving child in Somalia or Mexico is still a child of God. You are free to deny it all you like.

 

Yes, this should definitely be looked at as being a piece of the puzzle. Additionally,

- Economic changes force both parents to work in order to maintain a financially viable household. Consequence: less parenting. We are not "raising" our children as much. Instead, we "caretake" them while at work.
- There is less emphasis on marriage in our society. Single parents cannot give as much time to their children - loving them, disciplining them, and teaching them. And it's a statistical fact that single parents provide a lower standard of living than intact families. Most children in poverty are being raised by single parents. These children are more likely to do poorly in school, more likely to make poor choices, and are far more likely to do financially poorly as adults. And then they perpetuate this cycle of hopelessness.
- The media and entertainment..... Back in the 50s and 60s, the media promoted values of family, marriage, men being fathers, and violence had very distinct "right" and "wrong" messages. And when the hero was forced to shoot the bad guy, we didn't see the bad guy's blood and guts sprayed all over. Entertainment didn't try and make us "ooh and aah" over carnage, blood and guts like a bunch of degenerate Romans watching a massacre in the Colosseum. And our kids didn't spend hundreds of hours playing with murder simulators either.
- We as a society have backed away from mental health intervention. Mental hospitals have been closed. Nowadays, it's all about medicating the patient and keeping them out of in-patient care. We have made jails our lock-ups for the mentally ill. This is nothing but a revolving door until the mentally ill person kills someone. Your reply to me is right.
- And those of us who support the 2A should make a good faith effort to support reasonable measures to keep firearms out of the hands of the wrong people. Specifically, I think we could more aggressively act to keep them out of the hands of severely mentally ill people. If a person is schizophrenic, hearing voices, having delusions, they should not be in possession of firearms, whether or not they have ever been physically committed to a mental institution. Just being afflicted with the disease is good enough reason. There are an awful lot of these shootings that are committed by people such as these, who are in lawful possession of firearms even though they are full-blown schizophrenic. This just defies common sense.

Seth

 

So we trash the second amendment and the constitution to keep you safe from a death that is less likely as being struck by lightning?

It is like using a semi to squash a cockroach!

 

I am an NRA member and 2A supporter. What is wrong with keeping firearms out of the hands of schizophrenics who are delusional and hearing voices, telling them to do things?

 

Yes, we were lucky, and I want to keep that luck for my children and grandchildren. That is why we have borders. I don't want my neighbors on my farm without permission either, or I no longer own the land but pay the bills for it.

My neighbors lives are no less or more important than mine, as long as they stay in their little piece of the world and I stay in mine.
Mexico has just as much or even more natural resources than the USA. They should stay in their country and make it so I would want to live there. It is in their hands.

 

But America of my youth is fading because of it, and will bring a much worse life than I had growing up because of it.

 

The 2nd amendment you speak of, which I question your support for. Either it is an unalienable right or a privilege. Which is it to you?

 

Nobody said anything about killing those who try to invade the US yet, just turning them back and that is not a death sentence.

 

Turning them back does not endanger them, they made it to the border they can make it back to where ever. There are not 6 year old's alone trying to get in they are with adults. don't emotionalize it your way either.

 

I say shoot them. Once you prove they will face death to come here, they wont.

We didn't have any trouble carpet bombing Japan and Germany, North Korea or Vietnam. We killed millions in collateral damage. I would rather see a 1000 of the enemy dead, than see ONE of our guys in my unit dead. So you got me, I only care for American citizens lives, and that is who I fought for, not Mexican lives, not Honduran lives, not Vietnamese lives (gotta be true here). I fought for the guys in my unit.

 

It is a right of the People. But to my mind, it is a right bestowed upon law-abiding, peaceful, sane people. I do not believe the Founders meant that it was a right for the criminally insane.

We do our cause no good when we don't use common sense. Every time some schizophrenic like Jared Loughner, Adam Lanza, James Holmes, or this latest guy, Travis Reinking, commits some senseless shooting, the enemies of the 2A use it for their agenda.

Surely, we should not help them do that.

Our aim is to preserve our gun rights for the law-abiding, peaceful, and sane citizens of our country. Unlike most proposals that are aimed at the guns themselves and the rights of law-abiding citizens to possess them, I am suggesting that only the wrong people should not have them. Schizophrenia is a definable disease that causes a break with reality and delusions. Surely, you are not suggesting that we protect the rights of such people to possess firearms. Are you?

 

No.

The means to kill many innocent people in public places has not changed much in the past 50-75 years

But the willingness to do so by so many killers is new

And that is connected to the new liberal culture in America