What is your take away from the 2020 election?

The One that empowered you to make absurd arguments hardwired you to seek His face. At the same time, because of the unique sovereignty He placed in you, he gave you the ability to reject Him. That you do. It is not my burden to prove otherwise. You play with it.

 

Are you ever?

 

The republicans on this forum are calling for one election; standard voting process across the country, are the people dissing on the EC.

We can't have the EC ~and~ allow the fed to tell states how to choose their electors.

 

You got into something before you know what is being addressed. Roe V Wade impedes itself on States that would restrict abortion. I know most pro aborts think it is justified.

I personally don't want anyone I know to kill their mother-in -law....but I don't think I have a right to tell every single husband in the world they are not allowed to.

Sound silly? It does. But not any sillier than your overused virtue signalling argument. Better find a new one!

 

Don't see where that has happened at all.

 

I see how silly you sound. Yes.
Good day.
You don't understand what a human being is. But I figured as much.

 

You pretend on one hand that your a little uncomfortable with abortion. Wonder why? You act as though you don't mind what others do. That's really funny.You understand, I think what human life is, but you just seem to feel uncomfortable defending it!

 

Uncomfortable? Not at all. I know the people in my life and how well adjusted they are and I am always available for help and support.

It's not funny at all. I bet most pro choice people would opt to NOT abort at a personal level.

You are always wrong when you try to project what you think others think.

I am not the least bit uncomfortable with defending life of human beings. In fact, when sheet hits the fan, the right to defend one's life is the ONLY right we have in this world.

If you didn't have religion handicapping your every thought, you might be able to see the world from other's perspectives instead of the perspective you were taught to think.

 

Now you've done it. You've gone to that tired, pompous, arrogant assumption that those of us who don't share your views are not real Americans. That much hate is really bad for your health.

News for you: YOU are now in the minority. Live with it, and perhaps, if you have more than a few brain cells to rub together, being in that minority may give you a modicum of empathy for those who are neither white nor male and have lived far too long in your noxious shadows.

We are all real Americans, and love our country every bit as much as you do. I suggest you get down from that high horse before you get a nose bleed.

 

You seem to think that because someone disagrees with you, they know nothing. How arrogant and pompous can you be?

I couldn't graduate from 8th grade and go on to high school without passing an all-day written and oral exam on the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the history of and reasoning behind the EC. My disagreement with the concept of the EC is based on knowledge, not ignorance. Your reply was insulting and rude.

We've long outgrown the very reasons for the creation of the EC. The issue it was designed to address no longer exists. It currently creates, for example, a 3.7 to 1 advantage for every vote cast in Wyoming compared to every vote cast in California. You may not like California and its vast diversity of people choosing your president, but the vast diversity of people and cultures that make up America and choose to live in cities where there are more jobs don't like goat ropers in Podunk, ND choosing their president.

Perhaps we simply need to change the way EC votes are allocated, but the system as it currently exists has allowed the less popular candidates to win, and that just is not right in my educated opinion.

 

This is why you are pompous and arrogant in your own right. This Nation is a Representative form of government. That is how it was designed. We are States that are not to be governed by a mass National majority. California and New York in no way get to tell the rest of us how to live. We live differently in other states and that is what makes America unique. You may have been educated, but you were educated to think we are a Socialist Democracy. We are a Republic.

 

And Montana does? The Dakotas do? The farmers in Iowa?

If we are going to keep the EC, the allotment of EC votes needs to be much more equitable, or we'll continue to have the same problems. Your vote should not carry more weight than mine, no matter where we live.

 

We do this every 10 years, after the census.

 

In those four states you mentioned, the citizens live in rural areas mostly. They cherish their liberty. They don't want government control. Why should they have to surrender to a bunch of urbanites that crave government control and Socialism? We like to keep them seperate. If you like those controls you have the option....move there. We like our style of living and we are not going to be run over roughshod!

 

Not equitably, not even close.

I'll give you my standard example of California vs Wyoming. Note: nothing against Wyoming or its residents ... it truly is a beautiful place. The contrast simply makes for a good illustration of my point.

Wyoming: population around 577,000. 3 EC votes, one for every 192,333 people.
California: population around 40 million. 55 EC votes, one for every 727,272 people.

727,272 divided by 192,333 = 3.78, rounded, giving the Wyoming a 3.78 to 1 advantage over California in the EC.

That is NOT equitable. To even it out, EC votes should be 1 per every 500k people, or something like that, so that every state has equal say in electing the president.

 

California, generically speaking, has 10% of the say in elections, with 11% of the people in the country. I'm not sure how much more equal we can make it, without taking away three votes from the tiny states.

 

What makes you think that city dwellers don't cherish their liberty every bit as much as those in rural areas? Wow, what a nonsense generalization.

What makes you think that city dwellers like government control any more than those is rural areas? What makes you think that all city dwellers favor the same form of government? Are you somehow under the impression that we all think alike? Seriously? More nonsense generalizations. I'm sure there are more where those came from ...

Who's trying to "run [you] over roughshod"? I just don't think that your vote should bear more validity or weight than mine. If that's too much for you to bear, too damned bad for you. My vote is no less important than yours.

See the example in #140.

 

You are wrong.
No one empowered me, but me. How about the 5B people that never heard of this god you claim empowered them. You are free to make up stuff, but no one has to believe in anything you just pull from thin air.

You have burden to prove I reject anything. You just can't convince me or anyone that we are hardwired to believe as you believe. The fact I reject your argument proves we are not even close to hardwired to anything.

 

Could you please show me your math on that?

If it's as equitable as we can make it, why do Wyoming's voters have a 3.78 to 1 advantage? If we're going to base the number of EC votes on population, then we should do that. Can you explain why a state with barely more than half a million people get 3 EC votes? I think they should get two at most, and that's only if we round up.

 

Good job. I never realized that.
I suppose the EC counts haven't kept pace with population growth?
When was the last time EC votes changed?

 

A counter point. And an interesting point as well.

 

55 EC votes / 538 total votes = 10%.

California has just slightly over 10% of the population.

Every state gets a minimum of 3 votes. This number is based on their representation in Congress. (Hence, 53

 

Every 10 years, after we get census results, so 2011/2012 ish?

 

Allocation among the States
Electoral votes are allocated among the States based on the Census. Every State is allocated a number of votes equal to the number of senators and representatives in its U.S. Congressional delegation—two votes for its senators in the U.S. Senate plus a number of votes equal to the number of its Congressional districts.
https://www.archives.gov/electoral-...d among,number of its Congressional districts.

How EC votes are distributed.

 

All you need to do is look at any red and blue comparison map and it will help you. Here, I will do it for you

Blue largely reflects urban areas that always beckon for more government control!!