What kind of Welfare system is ideal for the United States?

So you are in favor of eliminating the prescription drug regime? Anyone should be able to buy any antibiotics they want?

 

I vote for the kind which provided my Dad the first regular paycheck he ever received. He became a timekeeper for the WPA drawing $3.60 a week for 48 hours on the job. He went on to become a line superintendent for Procter & Gamble at Milan, TN and then a department head in the gaseous diffusion plant(ORGDP) in Oak Ridge, TN where he retired after working all his life. He and my Mom moved to Florida and enjoyed their retirement years. He barely had a high school education. The ******ned rich used to pay their share in this country and they haven't since the early 80's. Since Reagan slashed tax rates for the wealthy to 50 year lows while most average workers...when all forms of taxation are considered pay about 40% of their income to some kind of fee or tax the ones at the top have made out like bandits. There's something basically wrong with a system which gives those at the top the wealth while those at the bottom do the work:

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I don't believe we would have the same problems if we also had, as a form of civil "equity" an Constitutional office of public defender like their is for public offenses.

Shouldn't district attorneys be contracted from the private sector as well, instead of enjoying Constitutional protection and that form of privilege and immunity as any form of Equality under our republican form of Government and under our form of Capitalism as enumerated in the Socialism of our supreme (social) laws of the land.

Why not? How is it any form of Equality to give one side some privilege and the other side none, of the that same privilege?

 

Not taking from one is not not-giving to another. Equality of condition is only achieved in the graveyard.

 

I see total disability (emphasis) not as a problem. However, there are people that work the system. Like all gov't programs there are those that find ways steal. If we are to have Welfare, why not "Work Fare" and Gov't assistance on a limited timed basis not in perpetuity.
Bonnie, if you're out there you know what I mean. You've been on Welfare most of your life, so have your daughters. Professional Welfare recipients have to go.
Welfare is supposed to be a hand up not a hand out. Not permanent funding for drug addicts or
women that prefer have children out of wedlock as a means gaming the system.

 

You must be on the right. Equality is not a capital concept except for weights and measures, it is easy to overlook the implications; because, equality is more social as a concept.

Equity is about forms of equality.

 

And with current life expectancies approaching 80 anyone making less than 75 k a year will get back everything they paid in and more well before they die. Reagan cut taxes for everyone not just the rich. Under the Reagan tax cuts the government actually increased revenues by more than 30%. The main reason the middle class has less disposable income has nothing to do with the guys that sign the paychecks and everything to do with the fact that the government is firmly convinced that they need to spend about half of your paycheck for you. In other words you take home pay is between thirty and forty percent of what it costs to have you on the payroll. And you keep voting for the (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s who want to spend your money for you.

 

Couldn't have said it better myself. Not just antibiotics - prescription pain meds, experimental cancer drugs, unpasteurized milk - anything.

But no welfare, and not a cent of my money being taken to provide healthcare to others without my consent.

 

The elite, the wealthy, the corporations have it made in this country. They don't think they owe any taxes....not even to help pay for the infrastructure that they use every day. They protect their passed long money from generation to generation and go to ivy league schools while their poor counterparts go half way around the world to fight and die in some unnecessary war. I'm 80 years old and I've never seen a time when things were so far out of balance. When all forms of fees and taxes are considered on a percentage basis the poor are footing the bills. A 9% or 10% sales tax, a $0.40 per gallon gasoline tax, excise taxes, fees on everything from auto registration to hunting and fishing etc. A poor man ties up a higher proportion of his net worth in taxes than the rich do. When I hear these rich Republicans gripe about tax rates it makes my arse crave lime juice. What they've wanted for years is a flat tax. Then they can fire all the expensive tax accountants and lawyers and breeze along keeping 9/10 of their money while the poor pay two or three times that.

A sales tax, property tax, payroll tax, gasoline tax, excise tax, hunting license, auto registration, required insurance, etc. makes no provision for how much one will have left after they pay it. I will bet you that when considered as a percentage of net income the poor pay more taxes than a millionaire. I know that Romney declared 14% on about $15 million of earnings in 2011 while the same year my wife and I paid the same rate on less than $100,000 and we still had to pay all the aforementioned fees and taxes.

 

I anxiously await Rand Paul or some other libertarian oriented politician making that argument.

 

Fortunately the vote is the big equalizer, and every poor citizen gets the same one vote as anyone else, the group may be apathetic I vote regularly but others don't but you start talking about ripping away the social safety net good luck keeping that big block from going to the polls. Assuming the anger is not directed at violence.

But the odds of the safety net going away is quite low the Social Industrial Complex has to many people in play to toss it out and even the most ardent GOP member won't toss the disabled and poor elderly onto the street to die. Even reforms being proposed by them won't eliminate Medicaid and SSI your Libertarian views are as unlikely as my Socialist ones but Socialism does have the upper hand in that its in place to some degree.

 

So you are alleging that romney never bought a car, pays gas taxes. And you are mamad because we want to compare apples to apples while you wish to compare apples to plums pears tangerines and appricots, anything but apples.

 

None of you ever catch on. A rich man should at least have to pay the same percentage of his income to taxes, fees, etc. that a poor man does. 15% of $30,000 is $4,500. 15% of $1,000,000 is $150,000. Like I said....you just don't get it. This bullschit about brackets is just that...bullschit. Going by the brackets Romney's $15,000,000 should have cost him about $5,000,000. Instead it cost him less than half that.

These same selfish bastards scream to high heaven any time a hint of them paying taxes is the subject. They should have two brackets. One that's discounted if a family has a close relative in uniform and one that's increased if they don't. When Nixon did away with the military draft it was for a reason. Cowards don't like to pay taxes.

 

Unlikely if they want a chance at power. I recall Ron Paul saying he wants to abolish the FDA, that's a good start.

 

Of course my preferences have next to no chance of being implemented on a large scale. Not many share them. Most power lies with the consensus in society - what they say goes.

I do, however, think competitive Federalism is more likely. Small direct democracies with complete control over their internal affairs. That way you can have your socialist commune, I can (*)(*)(*)(*) off into the middle of nowhere and be left alone, and the social conservatives can have their 1950s utopia. May the best man win

For almost all issues we can all have our own way without the sky falling.

 

Nope, not on the right or the left. I would not have even my very best intentions imposed upon my equals by force,
not even force of law.

 

You seem terribly frustrated, the very last sort one should take advice from. I, on the other hand, have everything I want and want everything I have.

 

And why did it cost him half that? Part of it is because he has a lot of kids. Part of it is there is no limit out for your your mortgage deduction no matter how pricey your primary home. Part of it is that he gives a bunch of money to charity. Dude probably gave more to charity that one year than you have your entire life. Yeah there was a reason Nixon signed of on the bill to do away with the draft. His Democratic congress had enough votes to over ride his veto.

 

My wife and I live in a 4br brick rancher on an acre and a half of zoysia grass with a built in irrigation system which pumps lake water. We have 220ft. lake frontage with a new floating dock and a series 500 South Bay pontoon boat. We have a 2014 Subaru Outback and a 2014 Chevrolet Impala and we don't owe anybody a dime. We both have high school educations, no college, we were both in the military a long time ago. We had a combined 84 years service with the same govt contract at the K-25 gaseous diffusion plant in Oak Ridge, TN. and we're both retired.

Like I said.....I was a Republican for the first 30 years of my adult life and voted for Eisenhower, Goldwater, Nixon 3 times, even Reagan the first time. The Republican party used to stand for the people and now they stand for corporations and the wealthy. They thump their bibles, chew their baccky and carry guns and I'm still trying to figure out what they're so ******ned afraid of......their own lying arses I guess.

I've watched the Republican party morph from a good political party to one exactly like what Dwight Eisenhower warned all of us against. I'll never vote Republican in a national election again if I live to 100:

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So, where is all the angst coming from. We're here to help others not ourselves. Don't you enjoy helping others?

As my favorite author is fond of saying, "When you want to help others, you tell the truth. When you want to help yourself, you tell them what they want to hear."

Neither Republicans or Democrats are at all interested in liberty, authority over and responsibility for self.
If we had 100% Republican or Democrat rule, we would continue on 99% of the same course we're on. You're old enough to have recognized that pattern.

If you were honest, you would admit to having voted for the "lesser of two evils", yet you still feel qualified to complain when evil wins.

I'm just telling you what I consider to be the truth. If I wanted to blow smoke, I'd say something else.

"For whom the bell tolls", takes place during the Spanish civil war. The war was essentially between the fascists and the communists. You see? There was no good side. There isn't one here either.

We do ourselves a great disservice when we compare our best intentions to other people's less-than-best intentions.
Progressives on the left and the right, Islamists, communists and fascists are all possessed of the same benevolent arrogance and the same desire to impose their best intentions upon others by force of law.

The progressively Democrat/Republican paradigm is a benevolent arrogance that should be reserved to God and the parents of small children.

 

Growing up in the '70s, I've watched the Democrat party go from a party of the rational working man to a party of second-handers, parasites, complainers, environmental nuts, and collectivist do-nothings. The anger in your posts proves a good point. Your altruistic mentality is purely based on hatred of the good just for being good. You would force people to pay taxes for the common good at gun point if you could. You would give money to a pregnant slut and let a genius starve all the while seething at the opportunity to help the depraved parasites of our society who live off of the mental efforts of others.

It seems both political parties are entrenched in ideals that just amount to fighting over scraps of money from the overtaxed citizen. How is it that the producers and thinkers of the modern world are so hated by people like you? Instead of firing off blame at who should pay the "correct" amount of taxes, ask yourself this- Should we pay any taxes at all? 40% of the people in this country don't pay anything. Do they not use the roads, parks or whatever. Ask yourself what is the real definition of fair and equal. Use a little introspection and try to formulate an opinion not based on hatred.

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Growing up in the '70s, I've watched the Democrat party go from a party of the rational working man to a party of second-handers, parasites, complainers, environmental nuts, and collectivist do-nothings. The anger in your posts proves a good point. Your altruistic mentality is purely based on hatred of the good just for being good. You would force people to pay taxes for the common good at gun point if you could. You would give money to a pregnant slut and let a genius starve all the while seething at the opportunity to help the depraved parasites of our society who live off of the mental efforts of others.

It seems both political parties are entrenched in ideals that just amount to fighting over scraps of money from the overtaxed citizen. How is it that the producers and thinkers of the modern world are so hated by people like you? Instead of firing off blame at who should pay the "correct" amount of taxes, ask yourself this- Should we pay any taxes at all? 40% of the people in this country don't pay anything. Do they not use the roads, parks or whatever. Ask yourself what is the real definition of fair and equal. Use a little introspection and try to formulate an opinion not based on hatred.

 

Can people be considered unemployed or needing welfare if they refuse to place themselves in those areas providing jobs?

 

There always seems to be opinions why things cannot be done...it would be great if we could place the same amount of energy and determination in finding ways to improve and move forward...

 

Anything that provides affordable and efficient public transit and ultimately removes fossil fuel vehicles carrying one person...even small communities can benefit from having a fleet of hydrogen buses...if you provide it they will ride...