What Lessons, Realizations, and Outcomes stem from the Walker Recall?

In spite of the title, the Nazi's weren't socialists. They were fascists.
The Tea Party is simply a cannibal, dividing the Republican party into two weaker factions. The attendance at Tea Party events has been dwindling rapidly over the last year, and in my conservative county in N.C., the Tea Party float in the St. Patrick's Day parade here is met with giggles.
If they do gain power in the future, it will be brief, as their agenda will spiral the country into the toilet in very short order.

 

Socialists are more often than not Fascists, and most Fascists in History (as counted by man-years under socialist rule) have been Socialists.


Point being these two are NOT in any way exclusive. It is quite possible to be BOTH a Fascist and a Socialist, as the NAZI in Germany were both.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

There is nothing in these two definitions which is mutually incompatible, and historically, the two have more often than not accompanied each other.

Because of the extremely negative outcomes which have occurred most of the times the Federal Authoritarian control elements of Fascism have been combined with the State Ownership of the means of production from Socialism, the left always tries to deny ( or self-delude ) the many historical connections between the two political philosophies.

But that very denial and mis-information is WHY Social, which otherwise might actually work, keeps failing.

Without accepting this fatal tendency and building into a socialist movement safeguards against the corruption and havoc it wreaks, Socialism will continue to fail.

You don't have to work hard at all to see all of the wiki quoted elements of Fascism in the last four years of the Obama administration. In fact, it would be easy to make the case that Obama is less of a socialist, and more of a Cronie-Corporate Fascist Statist than a true socialist.

Either way, the Obama Democrats are destructive to America and need to go.

In a way, it is Sad that Obama has taken such a great opportunity for True Socialism to be Honestly tried by America, but the damage is done.

 

National Socialist Workers Party = Nazi.

The player on the field gets to define himself. Tiger Woods is not a shortstop.

The Nazis were socialist, and despite yout arrogance YOU don't get to define them.

Ask Richard Lugar about the Tea Party.

 

They didn't work? Well apparently you're wrong about that. Sorry.

 

I'm not exactly sure who you were addressing this comment to, but in case my more complex analysis between the two political systems; fascism and socialism was missed, I agree with the statement, the Nazi Germany Party was a form socialist party. It was also, by the end of its evil morph, a fascist party. But it started as a socialist platform.

In fact, Hitler Rose to the chancery largely through the use of anti-semetic propaganda combined with promises to "Re-distribute" the ill-gotten Jewish held wealth back to its rightful producers, the Aryan Factory Laborers...

Sound Familiar?

There are so many parallels between what Obama has been doing over the last four years and things that were done by the NAZIs that it is a bit frightening.

America, with the lessons learned from a dozen other Ethnic National Socialist/Fascist tragedies to learn from, has been far better at resisting the mass hysteria appeal than the poor Germans were, it pays to know history.

The Wikipedia article on Nazism isn't half bad: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

But to tie all of this NAZI discussion back into the OP Thread, it seems to me that this is one of the outcomes of the Walker Recall Defeat.

There is no question in my mind that the Union led Recall effort was a Fascist political tactic.

And the America People successfully rejected it...How… EXCEPTIONAL!

 

I'm with you, Gov. Walkers budget cuts may not have been enough, but they were certainly a start in the right direction.

I really don't see how the SEIU people really expect to continue to recieve 2-4X the standard of living in doing public sector work compared to non-public sector employees who pay the taxes which provide their jobs?

If it was a 10-20% better package, I think most of us would just shrug and say, "It must be nice...", but the disparity between the standard of living of the public sector workers and those paying the taxes has just become way too large.

 

Cheers to you. That's how all politics should be played.

 

The Koch brothers are a red herring. Their money simply offset the out-of-state union money.

The real battle was taxpayers vs unions. At least for now the taxpayers in Wisconsin still outnumber the public employee unions, and did not want to carrying higher taxes so that public employees could retire young with full salary and benefits. Taxpayers have to eat beeaie-weenies and work til they are 80 and resent public employees who live high on the hog at taxpayer expense.

 

To me it was simple: Big labor is dead. Big money is the political power today. I would imagine that the presidential candidates will spend much less time courting the big labor unions in 2012.

Obama for another 4 years or a baby seal? - [video=youtube;a4nvhAZ0vr0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4nvhAZ0vr0[/video]
[video=youtube;oDFDpWoZYKA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDFDpWoZYKA[/video]

 

The Nazis were not socialists, period.

 

The Nazis certainly thought they were socialists. What qualifies you to say they weren't?

The Nazis had a lot in common with the Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics, particularly their police states. Gestapo and NKVD.

 

Being an actual socialist?

And neither were actually socialist. Are China and North Korea republics/democracies?

 

That seems to be where it usually winds up with you socialist types. Ultimately, to avoid the rather large record of socialist failure over the past century, you end up saying that no, the USSR was not really socialist. In spite of a body count in the millions, you still probably think Socialism just hasn't been tried yet.

 

No, it's been tried, they just did it all wrong to the point that their perversions weren't even recognizable as socialist.

Really, we've given many examples of where it has worked. You're just being dishonest now.

 

So all of the failures were so perverted from the original concept of socialism that they were not in fact socialism.

That sounds like you've just restated my previous comment. Who is being dishonest now?

 

Not me. I'm merely giving you the facts.

 

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Show me a case where socialism WORKED were the system was based on a primary theme of Ethnic Redistribution from one group deemed to universally be the haves ( and they never really are...) to the universally deemed to be the have-nots ( and again they rarely are...) and the practice Government Institutionalized Discrimination of Racial Preferences?

True Socialism, if very carefully regulated, checked and balanced, with a disciplined populace focused on true equality, might actually work.

But given those conditions, Capitalism works Wonders!

Ethnic National Socialism / Fascism, has throughout history a absolutely Demonic track record.

The point is, when Candidate Obama though Rev. Wright under the Bus, he made a unstated social pact with American People to be Post-Racial.

He has Grossly betrayed that trust and now he and all his acoylytes need to go.

America cannot stand long by picking ANY sub-group of its people and demonizing then denying them based on their RACE, White-Males included.

http://www.politicalforum.com/elections-campaigns/249280-go-ask-alice.html

 

Wow. That's...wow.

 

Look, the basic concept, as I outlined in “Go Ask Alice”, is really simple:

Just because a 90% of the CEOs are white men, doesn’t mean that 90% of white men are CEOs!


THINK IT THROUGH!

Are some White-Males Wealthy, Racist-Sexist Pigs? YES! ( And so are some of EVERY Race and Gender )

But MOST are NOT!

We're treating them like their ALL guilty of the crimes committed by a few, for the most part, many years ago! There’s a word for that, it called Pre-Judging them, by their Skin Color, or Prejudice!


99.999999% of White-Males have never Lynched anyone.

99.9999% of today's White-Males never even use racial epithets and find their use offensive.

99.999% of today's White-Males earn less than $100K / year.

But the Racial Preferences Industry has grown and grown and grown until it now permeates just about every facet of modern life!

Enough!, It is time for Government Institutionalized Discrimination to END.

President Obama is greatly expanding Racial Preferences, so he and his cronies need to Go!





And if the Left keeps supporting those who advocate Institutionalized Racism, they will NEVER get even a start at trying Socialism in America.

So, Lefties..... Choose!

 

You realize us actual leftists (hint: Obama isn't) have already saturated American government in socialism, right?

Heck, just a month or so ago Vermont passed single-payer healthcare.

 

Well, an ideological talking point isn't really a fact, but I understand how it serves in place of facts. The problem is that the definition of socialism becomes very slippery when convenient. Why don't you tell me which countries over the past century have had a government that you would consider "socialist?"

 

Well, to my knowledge we've never had a 100% socialist government, but I'll give the list again:

1) Norway
2) Sweden
3) China (economy, not gov't - really watered down though)
4) Yugoslavia
5) France (in the 80s and now)
6) Pre-fascist Spain

Those are just the ones I've studied.

 

So your version of socialism includes private property, and a free (or semi) market?
A stock market?
Private home ownership?
corporations?

 

For now.

 

And so the Piper of Socialism begins the song of deception...

The wondrous new single payer health care system won't contain death panels, or forced Euthanasia of the Elderly and Infirm, (Always for the greater good, and Never, Ever for Politics mind you!)

Nor does it contain forced sterilizations and abortions of the "Less Productive" (Or Politically Incorrect)...

No, no, one would EVER expect Eugenics as the next logical step...

For Now.









Harrumph! I don't trust Corporations beyond the sight of their profits, but I trust Socialists and Government Programs FAR, FAR, FAR less!


Capitalism is far from perfect, but it has allot better track record than the best of Socialism, and Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and 75 Million innocents murdered have shown the world the potential of the worst ETHINIC Nationalism can bring us.

No, I think I put my faith in the American Entrepreneurs and Capitalism, Thank You.

Time for Glorious Transformation Leader, our Beloved Comrade Obama and the Black Liberation Theology / Lefties to go.