What race do you think Ancient Egypt was?

Did you take a good look at my sources in my first post? Do you have any questions about any of my sources?

 

Even skilled academics can have prejudices and agendas. Its only been less than 4,000 years.. Why would one thing that Egypt was once black when their art doesn't reflect that? Are you projecting racism on others? Obviously blacks built the Meroe pyramids so the skills and ability are not in question.

You assume that people reject the idea that a black people could have built an advanced culture.. Is that your starting point? People in the ME were highly civilized when my ancestors were still painting themselves blue.

 

How does the artwork not reflect that the ancient Egyptians were Black? Take a look for yourself:

[video=youtube;5RAH_a99EhQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RAH_a99EhQ[/video]

What do you see? I see brown-skinned people with Afros and African style braids. Do you see something different? This was my 5th line of evidence that I cited. The only person I called a racist in this thread was Mikemikev who it is well-known has a history of making extremely racist comments. I'm not projecting racism on to any one. I never called you a racist, I'm just asking you to take an objective look at the evidence. The artwork was actually most convincing to me that they were Black before I got in to the scientific research. But the scientific evidence is also important and should not be overlooked. And yes the Nubians built pyramids, conquered Egypt and ruled for 100 years so you'd have to be crazy to deny Africans can build an advanced civilization, wouldn't you? I've heard some racists crazy enough to claim the Nubians were Caucasian too though. There is no limit to their racist insanity.

 

I was thinking of this:



I have always assumed that they were not a racist society.. Meanwhile, I have read that Egyptians shaved their heads and the elite wore elaborate wigs.. Something about headlice and those kinds of vermin.

 

Look up road in a dictionary, this is not semantics this is common sense

 

LOLOL.. You are ridiculous.

 

Technically you are wrong as a the rift is the divide between afrika and Asia. Israel is on the afrikan side

 

At least I'm not a racist

 

Even there notice that the ancient Egyptians are brown-skinned, darker than their Libyan and Palestinian neighbors. They are the second darkest people on the mural. In the Sudan today the people are some of the darkest in Africa. I think that the ancient Egyptians were more akin to the people of the Horn of Africa who are more brown-skinned. As for hair many mummies have hair on them so the ancient Egyptians did grow out their hair. It wasn't as if all of them wore wigs and shaved their heads.

 

Even today, 4,000 years after dynastic Egypt we have ppl in Sudan (ancient Egypt) who are the darkest hue of all mankind and that is after all of the Arab raids and invasions into upper Egypt.

It goes to show that no matter what the conquistador does he can never hide the truth for ever. Knowledge is power

 

No its not.. the Jordan Rift Valley runs from the Dead Sea all the way down the Red Sea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Rift_Valley

 

Yeh, it's a Rift Valley
Lol. The rift is between afrikan and Asian continents. This appears to be rocket science but really it's quite simple. You cannot alter the god created geology with your deceptions any longer. It's time to be a deciphered not deceived, praise him

 

If the Egyptians were black, how else do you explain the fact that Jesus, a middle eastern Jew (unless you believe the baseless theory the hebrews were black-that some religions believe) was able to blend in and look like them, when he did in Egypt as a child?

 

I believe that many Biblical stories including the story of Jesus are probably fictional. Supposing it were true and Jesus was a tan-skinned Middle Eastern Jew at the time of his birth Egypt would have already been invaded by many different people and have many immigrant populations in the country including people from the Near East. When I talk about the Ancient Egyptians I'm speaking of the Early Dynastic to New Kingdom period before invasions.

 

Even before the cosmopolitan Roman period which Jay cited, no one doubts the Egyptians had a long history of contact with Middle Eastern people like the Hebrews, such as merchants, mercenaries, and of course slaves (usually war captives).

The long (and ongoing) tradition of Hollywood whitewashing aside, the thing I find most ironic about the whole Exodus myth is that it's basically a story about dark-skinned African people holding the lighter-skinned Hebrews as slaves. It's almost like a "racial" inversion of the 12 Years a Slave scenario we all recognize (especially when you consider that some racialists still classify Middle Easterners as "Caucasoid" alongside Europeans).

 

Yes dna analysis confirms they are as they have been for a very long time....there are the expected genetic mixtures on borders of neighbouring regions but these are the same people today that built the pyramids...

 

If I remember right, Egypt was the melting pot of the ancient world. As you mention, the Egyptians certainly aren't depicted in their own art as being white (excepting the foreign ruling dynasties), but they certainly aren't depicted as being black as we generally understand it today. I imagine it's something closer to the melting pot that people speculate the world will be in 2000 years, a color closer to what has often been called "Brazilian" (though Brazil is of course far from as homogeneous as Egyptian art suggests). It's not hard to imagine that certain traits from peoples west and south of Egypt (the Nubians and what became Ethiopians) were more prominent because they are more dominant genetic traits, but I have a hard time buying that they were "black", as it would be colloquially understood.

This person, for example, is considered black, or African American. So is Nicki Manaj. It's one of those strange things where almost any trace of 'black' heritage makes a person black.



And I imagine that's closer to what the Egyptians would have looked like, as their art suggests. Really a mix. And I imagine that what we might consider different races would have reproduced with each other more quickly than in our own recent history because, from my readings and understanding of the ancient world, race was only important in so much as it was tied with culture. There were certainly cultural groups where a given race was dominant, but if a member of another race had integrated with the culture, there would have been far less opposition to that person reproducing with someone of another race within their new culture than there might have been in, say, 19th century America. And so with each new invasion into Egypt different races would have likely reproduced together quite quickly (with some exceptions - I have heard that the Hyksos largely left en masse, suggesting that there were still identified as separate living within the same territory).

 

I don't think its entirely accurate to call Ancient Egypt a melting pot. Egypt had a distinct culture and it had borders. It later expanded in to an empire. By the time it had become an old culture it was still what we consider to be the ancient world and only after a series of invasions did it become a meltingpot. Now as far as assessing Ancient Egyptian race from artwork interpretations we have to be careful not to make assumptions based on artistic conventions. I do believe that when comparing people the Ancient Egyptian artists payed close attention to detail including skin color. They depicted themselves as on the darker end of the spectrum as one homogenous color, brown (or reddish-brown).



Now does that mean that there were no very dark Egyptians, or lighter ones? Not necessarily. This is an artistic convention just like depicting women as yellow was a convention. It shouldn't be taken as an absolute depiction of reality. I think it does indicate that Egyptians were darker than Libyans and Palestinians but slightly lighter than Nubians. You can interpret this as Egyptians being a mixture of dark and light people or, as I believe they were simply a lighter shade of African than the darkest African.

Example:

Egyptian skintone



Nubian skintone



Consider also that the Nubians are depicted as different shades in other Egyptian art such as in this tomb painting where an Egyptian Pharaoh is slaughtering Nubians some jet-black others brown like the Pharaoh himself.



I believe the ancestors of the Ancient Egyptians primarily came from the South with some Western and Eastern admixture as well. They were probably, predominately brown-skinned as they depicted in their art and they were an African people. I would say they were more Black than anything else and of course by American standards that would make them Black (One Drop Rule).

 

http://www.nature.com/polopoly_fs/1...riot.jpg_gen/derivatives/fullsize/Chariot.jpg

 

Based on clear indications of ancestry such as non-metric skull traits ancient Egyptians were Caucasoid, as demonstrated by myriad scholars. Interestingly some advocate an Indic invasion theory.

 

Based on craniofacial analysis the Ancient Egyptians were most like populations in the Sudan and Horn of Africa such as Somali, Oromo and Nilotic groups.

Which fringe scholars do that?

 

Keita is a fringe loon who looks at ancestry uninformative traits like body plan to make his we beez gyptians argument.

 

Keita is a respected Biological Anthropologist. The significance of the data on limb proportions is that they indicate that the ancestors of the ancient Egyptians were adapted to a tropical environment.

 

Which tells us nothing of their ancestry. Were they Vietnamese?