What's the best Covid Vaccine?

I took both doses. The second shot was the one that got me. I don’t know if I will take a third.

 

Why don't you take a third, but of the Pfizer? It is much less reactogenic than the Moderna. The spike protein it makes is very similar to the one made by the Moderna and they are a bit interchangeable. You probably will experience fewer side effects than the ones you had with the second Moderna shot.

Rumors are that very soon, maybe even in September, the USA will open up booster vaccination for anyone interested in getting a third shot.

But what about what I said? What if you actually coincidentally had Covid-19, thinking that you were having a vaccine reaction? Two weeks of chest pressure and cough look more like a mild/moderate case of Covid-19 than a case of vaccine side effects. Did you have fever? It's very very very unusual to have vaccine side effects that last for two weeks (typically they disappear in 72 hours) and cough is definitely not a typical side effect of an mRNA vaccine. You should get a serology test that targets N protein antibodies.

If you had the natural infection plus two doses of the Moderna, you probably don't need a booster (because you've already had three encounters with the spike protein). It would be interesting to know.

 

Or pericarditis, or myocarditis. Both observed to occur in younger males (as in under 60) in response to some vaccines.

 

Yes, good point. I forgot to consider these possibilities. Still, as you know, the virus also causes myocarditis, and unless there is some degree of congestive heart failure, isolated pericarditis or myocarditis might not have cough as a prominent symptom, especially if it's productive cough rather than dry cough (Joe hasn't given us sufficient details of his symptoms for us to reach a conclusion). I think he should get serology just to learn what happened. Even though your point is well taken and maybe that's what happened, it is also possible that what happened was a case of Covid-19. If he caught it right before the second dose of the vaccine, he wouldn't be fully protected yet, and then the symptoms of the disease coincided in time with the days following the vaccination.

 

A cough is not uncommon in those conditions, but I also take your point that they can occur in response to COVID itself. Either way, he needs to test to be sure. Any cardiac involvement needs follow up.

 

I’m not going to pump myself up Full of drugs in fear. If this so called vaccine allows me to get covid I suppose it was meant to be

 

What drugs? I'm talking about a blood test. And crank made the good point, which I hadn't thought of, that maybe you had myocarditis or pericarditis. If true, you may need other blood tests to see if you have any persistent heart inflammation. This is serious. Talk to your doctor about it.

 

At a very low rate in relation to the same issues with Covid

 

I doubt I have anything to worry about I don’t feel bad now so probably okay. One of the side effects is a cough I think

 

Hm, no.

"Symptoms such as a sore throat, runny nose, or cough are NOT side effects of the vaccine."
http://www.bccdc.ca/Health-Info-Site/Documents/COVID-19_vaccine/VaccinationAftercare.pdf

Now, it is true that you may have had transient myocarditis which can happen after the Moderna vaccine; it's over, and you have nothing to worry about. This is likely to be the most likely explanation. Myocarditis from the mRNA vaccines is typically mild and transient and leaves no sequelae behind.

I'd still want to know... given the cough... because if you instead had a mild/moderate Covid-19 case coincidentally, sometimes people can recover from that and have chronic, silent, asymptomatic low grade myocarditis that left untreated, over the years might progress to congestive heart failure - or so the theory goes, because of course we haven't had yet people who have survived Covid-19 for several years; but similar problems have happened due to other viruses so it's not a bad theory.

I just hope one day you won't have to say, "Darn, I should have listened to that guy on Political Forum, and now it's too late."

What do you have to lose, if you simply get a blood test for the N antibody? If it's negative, you say "OK I just had a pretty bad vaccine reaction, but ultimately harmless; I'm fine." If positive, then you should see your doctor and inquire about next steps to explore your heart function and make sure that whatever happened in the acute phase, did not turn into a silent but persistent inflammation.

 

Yes, myocarditis from Covid is huge.

 

Thanks Center Field, good info as usual.

 

Interesting that none of our resident "experts" commented on this.

 

There is massive research done in finding and developing covid medication. One of the most promising targets a enzyme which all SARS viruses have.
The virus has not mutated, it just changes in various ways, which make it more aggressive. If it mutates we have maybe a problem, maybe not. Mutation would produce a new virus. the current vaccines still work against all variances, some better. The next generation vaccine will include Delta and Lambda

 

Yes
and mutations to come
with a common genetic sequence that would initiate an
immune response. Unconcerned if it was type A or B



FIRE Fauci
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~ Because the "resident experts" are fake -- just like flip-flop Fauci .

 

Gnoib, it depends on what you are calling mutations. The virus hasn't changed as much as to become a new virus (such as one that might be called (SAR-CoV-3). But it did present hundreds of thousands of small mutations in various areas of its genome, the vast majority of them inconsequential, and a few that like you said have made of some new strains, a more infectious virus or one more able to evade vaccine-induced antibodies and natural infection-induced antibodies. These new variants have tiny areas in their spike proteins that have mutated, in various different regions, actually some 12 to 17 per variant. The variants are new strains, not a new species.

 

Since it is still the same virus, the changes which occur are called variants/strains.
A true mutation would create a new virus of the Sars family.

 

New strains occur through mutation as well. Mutation is at the root of natural selection. Viruses don't mutate in the same manner as organisms do, though. Viruses have either DNA or RNA strings but do not have cells like organisms have.

 

The best vaccine is a strong immune system. Do not consume processed foods or sweetened beverages. Stay hydrated, get exercise and enough sleep. The risk for healthy people is extremely low. The vaccine is for the frail.

 

Sorry, gnoib, but it's not like that. The changes to various areas of the spike protein are indeed called mutations. Several mutations (12-17 per strain) do create a new variant/strain. It's the same virus, but thanks to mutations, it gave birth to different variants/strains. What is a mutation? It's when the replication of the genetic material gives birth to a copy that is not exactly equal to the parent virus, and that's precisely what is happening to create these new variants.

Maybe you're thinking of "mutation" in the lay language kind of connotation, but in Virology, we do talk about these changed regions of the spike protein as mutations. That's what we call them, and that's what they are. Look at my Variants thread and you'll see an explanation of the various mutations.

 

False. Even college athletes have had heart damage from the SARS-CoV-2 despite mild or even asymptomatic illness. This virus is more dangerous than you think.
Yes, of course a strong immune system is great, but this virus is so aggressive, that it can overwhelm even a strong immune system, unfortunately.

 

It’s always worked for me along with Camel straights. No virus can survive in my blood.

 

Famous last words.

 

Did you used to read Mad Magazine?