Where Is The “Climate Emergency”?

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  1. Jack Hays

    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    This is another false claim to support the climate emergency falsehood.

    While “Experts” Like To Have Us Believe Germany Is Still In Drought – Real Observations Tell Us Another Story
    By P Gosselin on 6. June 2021

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    Continued claims of a German drought have become preposterous.

    During today’s Sunday walk, I observed how much rain we’ve been getting here in northwest Germany lately – see photos below.

    Many of the farmers’ fields have become flooded, streams and rivers are at high levels and ditches are full of water.

    Yet, some alarmists out there would like to have us believe Germany is still reeling from drought and that it’s too early call off the alarm.

    In spring 2021, Germany received 175 l/m² precipitation compared with the mean of 171 l/m² for the 1991 to 2020 reference period. While March and April came in too dry, May saw unusually high precipitation compared to the previous years. The start of June has also been wet.

    But in its most recent report, the German DWD national weather service again highlighted the ancient, wetter 1961-1990 reference period, because it allowed them to say spring came in drier than normal for the eighth consecutive year. The DWD want us to think there’s still a drought and that all that water out there should just be ignored. . . .
     
  2. Sunsettommy

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    11 pages and still ZERO evidence presented that there is a climate Emergency ongoing.

    Cooling trend now over 5 years long:

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    The link is data rich, which you should have dug deeper into so you wouldn't look this silly.
     
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    All I did was to show it hasn't been warming for a few years now, which is 100% factually true.

    Just as true that with DECLINING severe Tornado, Major Hurricanes counts, decreasing hurricane landfalling rate, decreasing climate related death rate, and INCREASING snowfall there is no evidence of a climate emergency developing.

    There is nothing silly in it.
     
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    Now 22 years long, no warming trend at all.

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    Or small COOLING since 1998,

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    :lol: The ones who really look silly are those who claim a strong solar influence on temperature is refuted by the "current rapid warming" when the earth has clearly been cooling for the last five years because solar activity has been low.
     
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    The same fella who ignored my first line:
    He never has answered it......, because he can't answer it that is THE fact he can't accept.
     
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    Or you can look at all of the data and recognize that the climate trend is increased warming, rather than pick an anomaly data snap shot and tout it as proof of anything.
     
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    Nonsense. There is no increased warming trend, only a natural cyclical return to more normal Holocene temperatures following the coldest 500-year period in the last 10,000 years.
     
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    Ha ha, you still can't show any climate emergency which is the title of this thread.

    You again can't handle the truth of the databased charts I posted here, you keep making useless replies which shows that you have NOTHING to offer as a real counterpoint.

    2021 - 1979 = 42 years, yes it has been warming since 1979 but it has been cooling slightly longer than it has warmed since 1979 to now, which is what the UAH chart shows that it has cooled slightly since 1998 which is 23 years now.

    Math is really hard for some people.......
     
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    I would suggest that you revisit the link.
    If you look at the trend data you can see current trends in deg C between .13 deg C and .17deg C/decade or if it continues at the same rate between 1.3 and 1.7 deg C per century. My statements have been factual as near as I can make them. I have used data from the link to refute his assertion that we are "cooling off". The title of this thread may well be "climate emergency'/", but if you were paying attention you have seen that that was never my assertion.
     
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    Who told you climate is warming? I want to say if so, tough. I like it warm.
    I posted something yesterday I believe proving the USA has over 100,000 glaciers.
     
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    Check the link.
     
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    I would suggest that you try to find a willingness to know self-evident and indisputable facts of objective physical reality.
    If there is one self-evident and indisputable fact of objective physical reality that we know about climate, it is that it is not linear.
    No, they have been typical misleading and disingenuous anti-fossil-fuel hysteria-mongering.
    You have done no such thing.
     
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    One of 2 things. You have not accessed the link or you are picking a fight. Either way, you cannot hope to be taken seriously.
     
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    I would contend the title of the thread is not a question but a rhetorical statement that states there is no climate emergency.

    You can also see from the thread start title it attracts those with the same belief (bias) that there is no climate emergency but they have gone the next step to in fact then deny climate change, not just that it is an emergency or needs urgent action-so we see the actual intended agenda to present emerge.

    So based on the above I would then contend the only thing this thread can establish is the psychological phenomena called: 'motivated inference' … namely where people with preconceived biases state their bias then censor out any evidence they do not agree with by saying it does not exist. Of course climate change evidence exists. Anyone can find it. Its not that it does not exist, it is for deniers the actuality that it DOES exist but they don't agree with it.

    Then a further defective fallacy was presented to where we are provided ONE chart with a specific time frame measured then told to infer from that limited time frame there is sufficient basis to conclude no pattern of climate change. Think of the absurdity of such a contention. How does one infer from only 22 year time a trend or pattern that must be measured over centuries? Its akin to someone saying they have determined a person is not ill from not even a second of time spent to examine the person.

    In concluson, we know evidence exists but deniers won't agree with it and I would argue the intent of this thread is to tell you they will deny evidence exists when they disagree with it.
     
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    Even if such a number existed the amount does not prove or disprove the phenomena of climate change. How fast those galciers are melting is an indicator being used to measure climate change. With due respect you do not understand the methods of measurement used to determine climate change. You assume if ice exists, the planet is not warming. Its akin to you arguing since it snows or it rains or its cold, you can assume from that a lack of climate change. It is not that simple. The fact you feel healthy may not make you healthy. Do you really think you are able to detect all your physical ailments? Most diseases and dangerous ones at that are invisible because they show no symptoms OR they do but you assume its just heartburn not a heart attack or a headache not a stroke. You might feel great but its probably a good idea to once a year get a medical exam and let someone with more expertise, check certain things out that tell them patterns are emerging with your health you may want to address with preventitive measures.

    But hey, you know that many fat guys that stop eating junk food when they are told to until they have their heart attack?
     
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    Obviously it is for you. Where did you assume you can infer from 42 years anything?

    In fact when scientists study climate change they are looking for patterns to indicate a significant and lasting change in the statistical distribution of weather patterns over time periods that can range from decades to millions of years. The longer the time period, the more accurate the extrapolations.

    Since climate change can take place over thousands of years what do you think you will see in 42? Scientists need to study oceanic and biotic phenomena, solar radiation, tetoniics, volcanoe, gas emission amounts.

    It requires scientists from multiple disciplines bringing together their information. Studying climate change is like all forms of analysis, fractal, that is to say infinite in what can be considered. The more processes studied the more they can form more accurate patterns and trends.

    You might want to stop giggling at something and someone and ask questions not assume you have the answers.
     
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    Sure there's an emergency. The real emergency though is the fact that the underdeveloped nations of the world were promised massive wealth transfers that haven't been forthcoming from the UN. And, as long as the UN doesn't have the ability to produce, there will continue to be an emergency.... LOL

    How long do we suppose the UN will be able to keep stringing these nations along?
     
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    So why are glaciers growing? Can you provide a reason for this?
     
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    Actually, the bias is on your side.
    “Generally speaking, we can observe that the scientists in any particular institutional and political setting move as a flock, reserving their controversies and particular originalities for matters that do not call into question the fundamental system of biases they share.” —Gunnar Myrdal, Objectivity in Social Research
     
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    I most certainly accessed the link, and well, people do like watching a good fight.
    :lol: No, you cannot, as you have provided no facts, no logic, just your unsupported claim that "the link" somehow confirms your view. Laughable.
     
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    Your response is illogical. When one has an opinion of course they have a bias, so you and I both do on the topic of climate change.
     
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    Your comment above reveals you did not read the link. If you did you could debate it. Instead you stick your tongue out then giggle in a clumsy, childish and transparent attempt to deflect from the subject matter you have no clue how to challenge and to try over compensate for your insecurity triggered from your illiteracy.
     
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