Which of the following cases should be granted an abortion

I have look at my post again

 

Should we also consider what drives some women to kill their newborn babies?
You know, while we're on this line of thinking...

 

Okay - no problems with discussing Postpartum depression (Or rather peripartum) - it is one of the medical reasons for abortion

 

So what if some of that is sometimes true?

 

"so what" if some people occasionally kill an animal (let's say) because the animal is interfering in their lifestyle pleasures?

That's the kind of society you'd like?

 

Do you WANT the maternal mortality rate to rise?
And yes there have always been people who, rather than take an animal to a shelter, will let them roam the streets becoming feral, there are those will will drown kittens

Doesn’t mean I have to like it.....

 

My question may have sounded trite so I apologize for that. My question is "Let's say any of those statements are true for a particular pregnancy. Does that mean the girl or woman shouldn't have access to a safe and sterile abortion?"

 

Postnatal Syndrome is a result of low tolerance of unpredictability, and intrusions upon autonomy. This kind of personal deficit is absorbed when the mother resides within a traditional extended family, but is magnified by the isolationist preferences of First World Westerners. PNS is, not surprisingly, more common in the middle and upper classes. The richer Western people are, the less likely they are to retain strong support network links, and the less likely they are to be accustomed to the service and obligation which attend such links. A new baby is the ultimate 'service and obligation'.

 

You're looking at it from the wrong angle. You're looking for bandaids, instead of seeking a cure.

As long as we keep moving the goal posts to a place which obviates our responsibility to address root cause, these things will continue to get worse. It's the ultimate in disinterest.

 

No, I want the root cause addressed.

 

So, let's talk about that as I am very interested in finding solutions.

What do you have in mind?

 

Good - what is your suggestion?

 

Would you kindly Post a link for that please because it does NOT align with any research I have seen on the subject

https://www.womenshealth.gov/mental-health/mental-health-conditions/postpartum-depression

 

Notice we are not getting an answer?

I can almost guarantee that the pro choice people on this board will advocate for affordable easy access to LARCs



I have already had one member on another thread act outraged at the thought they should subsidise contraception

 

Hormones account for very little of adjustment issues immediately postpartum. Besides, in many cultures there is almost no 'depression' at this juncture, because the very idea of the mother even thinking about how she feels is completely alien. She has one job to do at that juncture, and it's a purely animal job. There isn't the luxury of stopping to observe ones emotions, moods, or comforts ... there is round the clock breastfeeding etc to be done. It's when we stop doing that one job, or take the position that it's optional, that we run into trouble - trouble our children pay for. When we focus on the job at hand in a purely animal way, any hormonal fluctuations are barely felt. We're too busy being 'outwards' to note such subtleties. This is a large part in why Asian women have fewer symptoms of menopause. They're too busy servicing their families at that point in their lives to notice. Further, this external focus keeps them fitter and mentally healthier than Western women of the same age range.

Almost all PNS is a result of your listed dot points.

 

Destroy the Welfare State, and replace it with something which actually fosters personal responsibility.

 

Yep.

I can hear the pearls drop from all the way over here.

 

See above.

 

Such as?

 

Look to collective models and non-Western cultures for answers. We need to be a society which rewards cooperation - irrespective of the size/shape/colour/creed/religion/wealth of the individual. That's all we need to do. If we're clear about it, and how it works (ie, if you don't play according to that ethos, you forfeit the rights to the rewards of that ethos), we need do no more. People cannot claim ignorance, and any consequences of refusing to respect the ethos will be entirely their own matter to contend with. If they end up homeless, they will have made a clear choice to that effect - and that choice will be respected. We either care enough about The People to create such a society, or we care only about making the problem appear to go away.

FTR, the 'rules' would have to be very clear and simple. Those in need would be allocated free housing wherever it's available, and provided full rations, clothing, medical, education, etc. No cash would ever be involved. They would be obliged to maintain their quarters to a high standard of order and cleanliness, and to be demonstrably seeking to escape poverty by not doing anything which would compromise that goal - like have babies they can't afford. Take it or leave it. This is exactly how other societies manage to retain a higher level of social responsibility - and thus less social problems like homelessness and deliberate single parents. The 'village' provides their needs as long as they don't abuse that privilege.

Again, those who wilfully attempt to game the system will forfeit the privilege BY CHOICE. It's the very best model in terms of respect for human agency, and the human condition.

 

Once its confirmed the child's survival rate is 0, I would agree that encouragement to carry to term would be unwarranted. However anencephaly is sometimes a misdiagnosis. I support erring on the side of hope, so long as any at all exists, in all cases that pertain to human life

 

It is rarely a misdiagnosis and I would really doubt the skills of the ultrasonography since the issue is that most of the brain is MISSING. There are a multitude of other disorders that spell the words “will not survive outside the womb” or worse “survive in horrific pain for only a short time”. The vast vast majority of “late term abortions” are for foetal abnormality incomparable with life. These are WANTED pregnancies often longed for pregnancies.

There is a reason nature is called a mother

 

and this I expected

NOT one mention of the ONE intervention that has reduced abortion rates.



Affordable accessible long acting reversible and reliable contraception

 

Anencephaly is a neural tube defect, and is preventable. It's a function of a very poor diet before and during pregnancy. And by poor I don't mean 'cheap' .. quite often it's the opposite. An inexpensive diet of brown rice, beans, oily fish, and plenty of in-season produce is high in folate, and therefore results in significantly less neural tube defects.

Incidentally, my aforementioned model for 'welfare' includes rations rather than cash, and those rations would equate to just that folate-rich diet. Thus removing one more reason to terminate a pregnancy.

 

What the?
Okay now you have me very very cross

How DARE you post this? How DARE you blame women for tragedy like this?

Yes lack of Folic acid CAN contribute to an NTD but it is NOT the only cause

https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/birthdefects/anencephaly.html

And even those who are being careful

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/03/140321095240.htm