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White House official corroborates diplomat’s account that Trump appeared to seek quid pro quo

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  1. ronv

    ronv Well-Known Member

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    If watching Trump get impeached makes you feel good. I say go with it.
     
    ronv, Nov 1, 2019
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    RP12, Nov 1, 2019
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LoL THAT's what you went with?

    You're going with "Trump told McGahn to fire Mueller"?

    Ok, I'll wreck it in 4 words.

    McGahn couldn't fire Mueller.
     
    vman12, Nov 1, 2019
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They only think what they're told to think.
     
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    AKS, Nov 1, 2019
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No my friend, I feel good about the vote I've cast.

    You? :)
     
    Dutch, Nov 1, 2019
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    ronv Well-Known Member

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    One down. Two to go.

    Those statements run counter to Mueller's nearly 450-page report, which detailed how McGahn received at least two phone calls with Trump in which the president "directed him to call" Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein to have Mueller "removed."
     
    ronv, Nov 1, 2019
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    4 more words.

    McGahn can't direct Rosenstein.
     
    vman12, Nov 1, 2019
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    What wasn't Biden?
     
    vman12, Nov 1, 2019
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    You were arguing that biden demanded shokin be fired to protect hunter then you link to a piece outlining US meddling in Ukraine government. The latter clearly had nothing to do with Burisma. So are you arguing that theres potentially a lot of corruption in Ukraine? I'd tend to agree, almost makes you wonder why trump decided to ask about crowdstrike and the bidens (explicitly). do YOU even know wtf you are arguing?
     
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    He could convey the President's message. He didn't. So, then why did the President ask McGahn to make the call?
     
    stone6, Nov 1, 2019
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    None of those links shows that the DOJ had an investigation into the Bidens and then asked Ukraine to help with that investigation.

    You have not identified any provision of the treaty that would allow the president to ask Ukraine to start an investigation into American citizens.
     
    bx4, Nov 1, 2019
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    It had to do with the Obama administration deciding who they wanted running the country.

    Then of course, Biden's coke sniffing, Navy-expulsed, dead-brother's-wife banging son got tens of thousands a month after their nation building exercise.

    Trump didn't ask about the BidenS.

    He asked about the Crowdstrike server and HUNTER Biden's involvement.

    Is Hunter Biden running for an election?

    JOE Biden was not mentioned in the call.
     
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    Egoboy, Nov 1, 2019
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    Oh, your theory is he could Convey TRUMP firing Mueller?

    4 more words.

    Trump couldn't fire Mueller.
     
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    LOL... yes, he never said the word 'Joe' in the call...

    Must have been some other Biden who "stopped the prosecution" he was referring to..

    Jill??

    The arguments are getting dumber as the days move on....

    I can make the case that it's more evidence that either the call notes are incomplete or that this topic had been brought up to Zelenksy before (or both)
     
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    Are you asking if the Obama administration's DOJ had an investigation into the VP?

    The same Obama administration that the "Russia" hoax was created under? The Clinton/Lynch meeting?

    Burisma is not an American company.

    If you don't think Ukraine can start an investigation into a US citizen, go to the Ukraine and rob a bank.

    Post results for us.
     
    vman12, Nov 1, 2019
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    Although the White House Counsel offers legal advice to the President, the Counsel does so in the President's official capacity, and does not serve as the President's personal attorney.

    Better. You may find one yet. :)
     
    ronv, Nov 1, 2019
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    Oh well let me see if I can keep up with the genius of your argument.

    Why would JOE Biden stop an investigation into Burisma?

    I thought your guys story was that JOE Biden was trying to get the prosecutor fired because he WOULDN'T investigate?

    Which is it, oh crafter of brilliant arguments?
     
    vman12, Nov 1, 2019
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    You can't... you've proven it in the past...
     
    Egoboy, Nov 1, 2019
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    Rosenstein could. He didn't.
     
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    Let me help you out with some more words.

    Trump couldn't fire Mueller.

    I mean you can go on with your obstruction theory, minus the fact that none of the people involved could have fired Mueller in your little chain, and McGahn could fire nobody.

    Even if Trump COULD have fired Mueller, it's not something you can delegate.

    On top of that, you're suggesting Trump could be obstructing justice for WANTING Mueller fired.

    You know, because he was never fired.

    It's kind of like the left spewing nonsense about a Trump Tower in Russia that was never built.

    Overactive imaginations or something I guess.
     
    vman12, Nov 1, 2019
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    Go ahead and give it another try. We'll let everyone else be the judge.
     
    vman12, Nov 1, 2019
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    Did Rosenstein resign? Did Trump fire Rosenstein?
     
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    Your aware, I'm sure, that obstruction doesn't need to work to be obstruction. Right?
     
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