White supremacists are trying to cause chaos during the current protests

I just can't believe White supremacist groups interfering with these George Floyd and Black Lives Matter protests. What they ought to do is butt out.

 

No I'm pointing to solutions, rather than mindless diversions from the underlying problem , namely, ongoing, systemic black disadvantage.

You have nothing to offer re fixing this underlying problem, so hence you are confined to discussing police behaviour in reaction to the resulting protests and riots.

 

If blacks are at a disadvantage despite all the preferential treatment being given to them under the current laws then what more is there to do?

 

So ALL Dale Earnhardt, Jr. fans are white supremacists. Sorry, not buying it. Go peddle your bullshit elsewhere.

 

This is a fair question.

But re "all the preferential treatment"...…..If black unemployment is stuck at double white unemployment, long term, then that "preferential treatment" is ineffective, by definition.

Now, the solution requires eliminating long-term (intergenerational) WHITE unemployment, as well race-influenced BLACK long-term unemployment.

And that requires changing the current neoliberal orthodoxy which achieves price control through a certain level of mandated unemployment, expressed in the NAIRU concept.

Hence, while white supremacism IS a real and present danger to community cohesion; and white supremacists might be trying to turn protests into riots for their own ends, the real CAUSE of the protests and riots is the current neoliberal system with its built-in mandated unemployment, as well as actual race-based discrimination in society.

Government must eliminate the 'welfare/poverty industry' (which is a failure, as noted above), and instead Implement a Job Guarantee.

www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/mmt-overcoming-the-political-divide.569365/

Or maybe you have some ideas, to eliminate the 'welfare/poverty industry'?

Our friend LafayetteBis thinks we only need to tax the wealthy more, to spend more on education....but that was Bernie's explicit policy - and was rejected by economically-illiterate citizens, in favour of 'no-plan-to- fix-it' Joe.

 

There was nothing right-wing about them. And I haven't posted one word of support for them. I'm simply rebutting the falsehoods you were spreading.

 

Up until recently (last couple of decades) this was the reason for allowing immigrants into our country in the first place.

I suspect the only answer you'll get is ... "Everbody knows ... !" or as Donald Rumsfeld said when he was here in Europe trying to drum up support for the illegal invasion of Irak, "Even an idiot knows Saddam has WMD's!"

 

Here is the explanation.

White supremacy - along with most of the community - tolerates black systemic economic disadvantage, but for different reasons, and the supremacists actively SUPPORT it.

Let's tackle the structural racism first.

I assume you agree Mr. Floyd - albeit he has a criminal history - was arrested in the latest instance, apparently on suspicion of forging $20 (!), and that his egregious treatment by the police is an example of structural racism.

You don't agree? Just another criminal resisting arrest? Nevertheless the police did behave badly...

And the fact remains: structural racism is real, and every black person in the US and around the world saw that image of a cop kneeling on Floyd's neck as such.

Back to white supremacists, for whom structural racism has an economic purpose.

They see systemic black disadvantage as the natural order of things (for former slaves), and are prepared to back up that world view with violence, while most of the rest of the community merely tolerate this economic disadvantage as an unsolvable problem.

"It's the economy, stupid".
Michael Jordan will never experience Floyd's fate. Why was Floyd forging? Why is black unemployment consistently DOUBLE white long term (generational) unemployment?

In post #108 above I wrote this:

"the solution requires eliminating long-term (intergenerational) WHITE unemployment, as well race-influenced BLACK long-term unemployment.
And that requires changing the current neoliberal orthodoxy which manages price control through a certain level of mandated unemployment, expressed in the NAIRU concept.

Hence, while white supremacism IS a real and present danger to community cohesion; and white supremacists might be trying to turn protests into riots for their own ends, the real CAUSE of the protests and riots is the current neoliberal system with its built-in mandated unemployment, as well as actual race-based discrimination in society".


You know my remedy: universal guaranteed minimum wage (above poverty) employment. The economy has the resources and productive capacity to achieve it, so there are no excuses for the majority to hide behind an obsolete neoliberal orthodoxy that mostly serves the interests of the 1%'ers.

But you don't believe that, right? Blacks have been subject to racial and economic disadvantage since they were forcibly brought into the US economy as slaves.

Besides, not everybody has the mental and physical resources (like the immigrants you mention), to leave their homes and work in agricultural settings.

 

I said "our country" not yours. Blacks "who have been subject to racial and economic disadvantage" in my country were disadvantaged first by the various indigenous tribes of Africa, later disadvantaged by white occupation, and finally (after "black rule" & independence) disadvantaged by their own black political, corrupted leaders. We've had no slavery in my country and no African colonies.

In theory, yes but it doesn't work that way and that is the reason I have inserted myself into this discussion. We offer those advantages to all citizens, no matter race or creed. But, as I mentioned in my earlier response, the migrants of today want the whole cake for themselves (whites be damned) and without having contributed to my country's prosperity.

For the most part agricultural tasks are carried out by seasonal migrants, much the same as your Mexican "pickers". We offer non-skilled jobs for non-skilled immigrants but we also pay for their education so they can be available for any job at all.

The upshot is that although your "remedy" is an open door to immigrants in my country they are now taking their cue from your black rioters "without any cause".

So why then am I here on this topic? Because the discussion has advanced to whether or not structured racism even exists in the U.S. today ... as the rioters, protesters, "leftists" (not my choice of words) claim. What that has to do with Sweden is only in the video I provided which explains the situation as a racial hoax in the U.S. and then talks about how your hoax is being stretched to foist the same hoax onto us over here.

 

Right, let's sort this out. you wrote:

Well, the problem in EU countries (inc.Sweden) is sudden mass immigration from the ME, that is impacting on economic well-being of some locals. And disdain for Islam.

Yes well the mainstream 'Left' (eg Biden fans) can be dumb at times (forget about the Right...….).

Police are in an invidious position..because MOST of us at times resent obeying authority.... and SOME police want to experience the exercise of authority, using force …nothing like using a resentful human, instead of a punching bag, to release one's own aggression...

Just shows how confused Left/Right labels generally are. But to the main issue: every black person IS affronted by that image (of the knee on Floyd's neck). because it APPEARS to be the result of structural racism that IS real.

You make this bland assertion of "theory that doesn't work" because you apparently accept there is no alternative (TINA) to the current neoliberal economic orthodoxy, which asserts all have an equal chance to avoid poverty. Obviously false, given the reality of race-based economic disadvantage (black unemployment double white).

I can guarantee the elimination of race-based disadvantage, by implementing universal guaranteed minimum wage (above poverty) employment. The economy has the resources and productive capacity to achieve it, so there are no excuses for the majority to hide behind an obsolete neoliberal orthodoxy that mostly serves the interests of the 1%'ers.

 

Sorry, your statement is silly and your nonsense can be easily tossed onto the trash.

 

Yes. let's do that. But rather than jump into the chicanery of your whole response let us begin with something fundamental. This:

What do you mean with "..... the result of structural racism that IS real"?

 

!. Anyone who has seen my posts would know the 'alt right' label is laughable.
2. If you want to know something about the current debates in macroeconomics you can start here:

http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/?m=20200604

Neoliberal refers to the wrong-headed displacement of demand-side by supply-economics in the 70's (due to the stagflation that appeared in the West at that time). It is still mainstream, despite persistent higher unemployment than before the 70's, and its catastrophic failure in the GFC and inability to deal with the present pandemic, other than by forcing people back to work before safe to do so.

From the beginning of the linked article:

"Governments save economies. Never let a mainstream economist tell you that government intervention is undesirable and that the ‘market’ will sort things out. Never let them tell you that large-scale government bond purchases by central banks lead to inflation. Never let them tell you that the government, when properly run, can run out of money. There is unlimited amounts of public purchasing capacity. The art is when to apply it and how much to release".

Read on if you want to learn something about how the economy currently works, as opposed to how it SHOULD work ie, an economy that works for all.

 

Racial discrimination that results in black unemployment rate double that of white, in the US, and Australia, triple.

 

If you want to understand black disadvantage you should have lived through the 40's and 50's. The improvement in that problem is truly amazing. All the minds haven't been changed but there has been amazing progress. The underlying problem is in a long and painful correction. The problem in this case was a criminal cop committing a crime.

 

Who is paying these people's transport?

 

While I might agree with this, the "long and painful correction" is not at all understood by the general community; and that pain will occasionally erupt spectacularly, fuelled by protests and riots by those actually experiencing the pain, aided and abetted by white supremacists whose world view is that blacks are an inferior race, and by policing that is also ignorant of the pain of the protesters.

 

I can't believe they're STILL trying to operate under the delusion that right wing extremists are involved in the rioting.

The leftist capacity for self-gaslighting is astonishing.

 

And that is your proof that structural racism exists? LOL. And since you include Australia in the mix I think it would be prudent of me to point out that you are overlooking cultural differences.

 

George Soros.

 

Antifa are right-wing shills

They are being financed by white supremacists and the Koch Bros Cabal. None of whom will ever be found within a thousand miles of any of these riots

Are you honestly arguing that there are on no white supremacists involved just because people weren't walking about in SS uniforms or in Klan sheets?

 

In most cases, it's probably mommy and daddy.

 

Tinfoil hattery.

The Clinton Foundation is funding the KKK. Up is down. White is black. Water is hot, and fire is wet.

How many? How many white supremecists are involved? A significant amount, or so few that you wouldn't even notice if they disappeared?

This is the part where you don't answer, because you don't want to face the simple reality of the situation.

 

I KNEW someone would come up with that. George Soros finances EVERY leftist group in the WORLD it seems (including a bunch of us who dared to show up at one of Andy Harris's "Town Meetings" some years ago. The check must have missed me since I drove myself). But the Koch Bros have NEVER given any money to anything but PBS.

You guys would be funny if you weren't so dangerous.

 

That American policing is structurally set to place a knee on all blacks' necks. Do you deny that?