Who has more chances to avoid the Hell: a Gay who believe in God or an Atheist?

I hope you do a better job of reading the Bible than you did of reading my post. If one must be sinless to enter heaven, then one is saved by works. The Bible says that salvation is by grace, not works.

Now explain to us why all these passages are wrong and your other gospel is the way it really works.

 

What about athiest homosexuals.

Is the mere thought of them, enough to send the OP around the twist.

 

They will go to Hell, no doubts.

 

Right. None of that makes the entire the word of god while leaving all other holy texts in the waste side.

 

I would love to see a citation for this.

 

Regarding my comment about early Christians believing in reincarnation,

The ReligiousTolerance.org site has a list of the three main branches of Christianity in the 1st century: Fragmenting of the Christian movement (Jewish Christianity, Pauline Christianity, Gnostic Christianity).

I direct your attention to the section on Gnostic Christianity.

 

It defines the boundries of your poll.

 

Atheists escape the hell of worrying about hell. Homosexuals may or may not manage that - depends on whether they also happen to be atheist or not.

 

apologies....I mis-remembered.
Leviticus 20
King James Version (KJV)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+20:13&version=KJV

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them..."

This is one of the things the Gay community wants removed from the Bible. My question now, is, why? If you sin, even greatly, the New Testament offers a course for salvation, and you can be absolved of that sin, as long as you don't revisit it. To continue against this word results in no absolution. If you claim to be a Gay christian, isn't that paradox?

 

Most likely it would be the young single parent with no education or family support with pie in the sky notions of romance cast into hell and it would not matter the faith. imho

 

I give credit to your question. Here's how it works today. Redefine a word to suit your purposes and call it right.
Yes, "lieth" refers to having sex, man on man or woman on woman in this case. But go ahead. twist a couple of words to justify your position. lieth means screw, fornicate, and abomination means whatever you want it to be. Abomination is in the eyes of God. He passes final judgement.
I provided a link.
Now I know this is Old Testament, Some would believe that the New Testament replaces the Old, but that may be a misunderstanding. In the Old Testament, there was absolutely no salvation or a chance of redemption in the eyes of God. With the birth and death and return of Christ, All of Man was given an equal opportunity for salvation. A loosening of bonds that would allow us to "go home." Once you surrender yourself to the will of God, you more or less agree not to return to that thing that made you unfavorable. It's called forgiveness of your sins. We backslide, a lot, but if we continue pressing forward and seek strength through spiritualism, it is claimed that we will be allowed into "heaven."
There is much to be discussed, and not all of it can be covered in a few words on this forum, and everyone has a different take. I am sure I'll catch Holy H**l for this one....lol
Go read it for yourself. But bear in mind, I didn't write it....stj

 

I give credit to your question. Here's how it works today. Redefine a word to suit your purposes and call it right.
Yes, "lieth" refers to having sex, man on man or woman on woman in this case. But go ahead. twist a couple of words to justify your position. lieth means screw, fornicate, and abomination means whatever you want it to be. Abomination is in the eyes of God. He passes final judgement.
I provided a link.
Now I know this is Old Testament, Some would believe that the New Testament replaces the Old, but that may be a misunderstanding. In the Old Testament, there was absolutely no salvation or a chance of redemption in the eyes of God. With the birth and death and return of Christ, All of Man was given an equal opportunity for salvation. A loosening of bonds that would allow us to "go home." Once you surrender yourself to the will of God, you more or less agree not to return to that thing that made you unfavorable. It's called forgiveness of your sins. We backslide, a lot, but if we continue pressing forward and seek strength through spiritualism, it is claimed that we will be allowed into "heaven."
There is much to be discussed, and not all of it can be covered in a few words on this forum, and everyone has a different take. I am sure I'll catch Holy H**l for this one....lol
Go read it for yourself. But bear in mind, I didn't write it....stj

 

We are made holy by Jesus's sacrifice. Of course humans cannot do anything but sin. ANd yes I understand the saved by faith. And frankly don't want to get into it unless i must. Maybe the problem is that you post too many questions, situations and then if you think you can catch someone in something you change the focus again. It's tiring i must say. It would be nice to stick with the matter in the OP but then...we're only human.

 

amen.......

 

It should be noted, that if God does exist. Then God is an Athiest!

This God if does exist, won't believe in a higher power. If it does. This God worships another God. Thusly your God is only a Demi God. Not fitting of surpreme worship.

 

Is the gay guy going to hell or not?
If you want to say he is you need to show that these scriptures are wrong:

 

Consider this.....once we have been forgiven for our sin(s), we supposedly start with a clean slate. If laying with a man as if he were a woman is considered a sin (although not unforgivable) and you seek forgiveness as described by the Bible, then to return to a sinful lifestyle doesn't mean you aren't still "saved" but it may show up as a "transgression" in the Book of Life. The idea of salvation is a chance to correct our lives to God's purpose. To commit the same act over and over again reveals that belief and faith there aren't as strong as temptation. We are all tempted, myself included. In the Christian faith, we are born with the original sin of lust and we live with it until the day we die. Not only sexual lust, but the lust for power and false authority with temptation being the actuator.
If you believe that Christianity is for you, there must be rules to follow as in all societies. Whether or not the Laws of Man mirrors the Ten Commandments, the Ten Commandments are still pretty good rules to live by

 

It sounds so reasonable. But the idea that salvation can be earned flies in the face of the gospel as it is laid out in the New Testament. I see you draw a distinction between salvation and rewards. That's very good. But then, you seem to conflate salvation with the Christian community. That's a mistake. I suspect that you know it's wrong. If I ask you if you believe that everyone in the Christian community will be saved, you'd probably tell me no. So you likely know that they are not the same thing. What many Christians do is to conflate salvation with regeneration. This is the mistake MisLed has made. She seems to think either that regeneration is required for salvation, or that regeneration is salvation, both of which are wrong. Regeneration is an ongoing process that lasts the remainder of ones natural life. Salvation is exemption from the second death. Salvation is not the idea of a chance for us to do anything, it is the reality of God not destroying our soul in hell.

 

I don't know how you seem to know so much about what i think from only one or two posts.

 

If they are good, honest and hard working people, then they should go to Heaven whether they believe in God or not. The knowledge that God exists could be their reward for their good deeds during life.

 

You admit to not understanding the Word of God? Are you trying to redefine the Bible? Are you putting a spin on what you do not understand?
If you had read the sources cited, then there would be not doubt or misunderstanding. I could be wrong, but same sex relationships are fully covered there and what was ordered as punishment. Seems like the word "death" hasn't changed much since those days. Rest assured, I have not presented my beliefs in this post, I just tried to present what is said in the Bible.
My religious beliefs are my own. I don't think good works alone will get into Heaven, if such a place exists, but rather the acceptance of Christ and the Holy Ghost, and reflecting that faith in your actions and words. Seems simple enough to me, but that's me........

 

You're kidding around, right?