Who here has had Covid?

What is it that you and many others have against masks? You seem to dislike them so much that you're willing to ignore actual science.

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How so? What's being omitted?

 

They've gone with Trump's new favorite scientist, and she says masks are useless. She also says that you can get sick from having sex with demons in your dreams, and that the medical community is using alien DNA in experiments, so there's that. Trump supporters sure do love science!

 

Everything but the fact levels of certain classes of antibodies decrease relatively quickly after recovery. Just little things like the strong T cell response in infected persons, the role memory B cells play in quick production of new antibodies when the immune system is challenged again, the relative stability of neutralizing antibodies in studies, and the lack of credible evidence of a single reinfection. Just little facts like that.

 

I have every reason to believe I contracted it due to my symptoms and the time they appeared but I was never tested and in many places that’s good enough to call COVID.

 

Got a link?

 

I think you provided links to this or a similar synopsis of this study the other day. It’s important to study the data, not just the headlines!
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-per...udy-antibodies-covid-19-patients-fade-quickly
On T cells.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05/t-cells-found-covid-19-patients-bode-well-long-term-immunity
https://www.google.com/amp/s/medicalxpress.com/news/2020-06-immunity-covid-higher-shown.amp

An overview of B and T cells.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/antibodies-/story?id=71879020

There is a lot to learn about memory B cells. It appears they may fade in those who lose antibodies quickly. Much of this data is from studies that use serological analysis of B cells that isn’t very reliable. I’m still immersed in the B cell subject but will try and pass along what I learn later. For now it’s sufficient to say memory B cells are a good thing for those who develop them and probably not terrible news for those that don’t as there is evidence of recoveries of symptomatic individuals who never developed antibodies or SARS-CoV-2 specific B cells.

If our immune systems were so simple and frail that a decrease in antibodies alone after viral infection meant no immunity, we wouldn’t be here discussing this. We would all be dead from some infectious disease.

 

~ Many of us likely have been infected but show mild symptoms . Seems many were exposed in January and February. Hopefully we do not have any lingering aftereffects .
´We wait for China's next surprise ...

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2

Very detailed study regarding mask. Please note that this study agrees that mask works when a person force coughs or sneezes, however the study shows that during the trial, with and without a mask with no coughing shows that you are actually more likely to get the virus with the mask versus without. Take it for what it's worth.

A subset of participants (72 of 246, 29%) did not cough at all during at least one exhaled breath collection, including 37 of 147 (25%) during the without-mask and 42 of 148 (28%) during the with-mask breath collection. In the subset for coronavirus (n = 4), we did not detect any virus in respiratory droplets or aerosols from any participants. In the subset for influenza virus (n = 9), we detected virus in aerosols but not respiratory droplets from one participant. In the subset for rhinovirus (n = 17), we detected virus in respiratory droplets from three participants, and we detected virus in aerosols in five participants.

 

Thank you, even though some of that is over my head.

 

Then, why do all of these very credible sources say otherwise?

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/4...s-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-n...ntists-contribute-to-who-mask-guidelines.html

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/p0714-americans-to-wear-masks.html

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-19-coronavirus-why-wearing-masks-controversial

There are many more such reports from science and academia regarding the efficacy of wearing masks. Are you claiming they are all wrong?

Would it really hurt you to wear a mask when you go out?

 

I don’t believe any of it is over the head of a technical writer. The concepts of the underlying biology are pretty simple. It’s the terminology that makes it seem complicated. I have to look up a definition from time to time because my formal education on the subject was 25 years ago. Discoveries since then are incomprehensible to me until I study up on definitions of terms not even used back then.

If there’s anything you want me to attempt to clarify I’m willing to try.

 

Sounds like each of those agree with the initial study I posted regarding forced coughing and sneezing. I clearly stated that the study I posted supports the use of Mask, especially for forced coughs and sneezing. What those studies lack is particulate values of merely breathing with or without a mask and particulate values associated with their findings. Unless I'm merely missing them?

 

I love that little town! I know someone who lives nearby, in Jackson.

Nice post.

 

I know about T cells, but I've bever heard of B cells.

 

Do you need all of that in order to justify wearing a mask? Sounds like nitpicking to me.

 

B cells perform a lot of functions, but the main relevance to this discussion is that they are what produce antibodies. Memory B cells can be produced that can react quickly to increase antibody levels after re-exposure to an antigen (Virus). As we see with C19, B cell memory doesn’t always develop, but it appears T cell memory does. In short, memory B cells are great, but not always necessary for immunity to exist.

 

Lemme see if I'm getting this right.

I had the virus in March. A couple of weeks later, I got a positive antibody test. About two months after that, I got a negative antibody test. Does the Memory B cell mean that even though I no longer have the antibodies, I could still be immune?

 

We aren’t sure if no antibodies means no memory B cells for sure. It looks like some individuals never form memory B cells and some do form them but they do not persist indefinitely. The most accurate tests for existence of memory B cells are not often used in studies we have now so there is some indecision right now on this part. That’s the bad news.

The good news is immunity can exist independently of memory B cells or antibodies. This is possible through memory T cells. Although both B and T cells originate in the bone marrow, B cells mature in the lymph system whereas T cells mature in the Thymus. They interact with each other later on during immune responses, but T cells have the ability to mount an immune response on their own.

The short answer is even though you have tested negative for antibodies 2 months after what we believe was infection, if you were actually infected you almost certainly have T cell immunity and possibly B cell as well.

As far as antibody tests, there are a lot of misconceptions, but I won’t go there unless you want to.

 

It insults my intelligence to wear the mask when I go out, but some places you must. So I've gone to wearing several Halloween masks collected over years, just for effect. Most people laugh about it.

 

Preventing your germ filled spittle from flying 30 feet insults your intelligence? Reducing your impact on viral load insults your intelligence? Um. Hmm. What other sorts of safety measures insult your intelligence? Washing hands? Cooking food to the proper temperature? Wearing a seat belt? Locking your door at night?

 

~ Most of the deaths in the US have come from the rest home tragedies that were in New York, where Gov Cuomo defied a federal order NOT to return those of advanced years, infected with COVID, back into rest homes. Cuomo did it anyway and is personally responsible for tens of thousands of deaths, despite having a ship in the harbor and a hospital in a park ready and waiting to receive those aged ill.
This idiot is still preaching his life philosophy and goofy perceptions on what should happen and why. CNN gives him a platform.
Go figure...

 

Absolutely false

There have been over 150,000 deaths nationwide...and 32,000 deaths in NY. Only 6200 of those were people in nursing homes

Clearly NOT "most of the deaths"

But by your standards I guess you were close...

 

~ 150 thousand nursing home employees tested positive in New York. Cuomo disobeyed orders and created an incubator that spread the Wuhan virus throughout the U.S. Now he makes excuses.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/us/new-york-city-coronavirus-outbreak.html