I can't wait to hear the rest of your made-up anecdotes. (truthfully, I could go several lifetimes without hearing more pontification from self-righteous heteros about what they imagine my life to be like, since they almost always are so far off base that it would be laughable if they weren't so completely convinced of their own infallibility.)
As someone once said, "There are three kinds of lies: lies, (*)(*)(*)(*)ed lies, and statistics." ...especially those you pull out of your ass.
you know I'm gay right? I mean, just because I put something forward, doesn't mean I'm not open minded. I'm willing to talk candidly about the issued we face in the gay community, I'm sorry if that offends you. I invited the conversation, and you pushed it back at me with animosity. It's a generalization, I'm aware. My primary purpose wasn't to put all you (us) gay people in a box, but just to lay out some different reasonings for why sexual promiscuity and drug use is disproportionally common in our ranks. That's certainly not to say I'm trying to accuse you or all gays of fitting this scenario... that was an invention you came up with, apparently because you're mad at me for something and think I'm trying to be critical. I'm truly surprised with you.
Yes - but it won't stop me from criticizing a crappy generalization if you make one, and that's what the OP was. Our opponents are only too happy to argue against us by way of overextending terms, biased analysis and ridiculous extrapolations that wind up stereotyping us through bad generalizations. We don't need to give them any help in that regard by inadvertently implying we agree. Talking candidly about those issues isn't what I find offensive. It's poor framing that implies those issues can be applied to all or most gay people. What you invited was an assault on us, supplying our opposition with the ammunition. It's not even disputable that there are issues disproportionately affecting our community. Certainly the cause and effect can be discussed and debated. That said, whether or not you intended to put us all in one box, your post had that effect. I'm not mad at you. I am disgusted by the implication your post made, that these issues are something every gay person struggles with. They aren't, and we don't. I don't strive to be well-liked or dull.
This may come as news to some people, but it's possible for two gay people to have a public disagreement without it being a proxy for working out sexual tension. Maybe try discussing the topic - like we are?
No, homosexuality is not a mental disorder. If you think it is, you should show everyone where your belief is absolutely proven to be the truth.
As more homosexual people are accepted in society, the more healthy those who are homosexual will become. It stands to good reason that many of the neuroses suffered by homosexual people are contributed to by the negatives directed at them by other members of society.
Nothing I say or any ammo I do or do not give will make a difference in what the anti-gay readers in this forum say or believe and you know it. You''re overreacting without cause. I'm sorry I didn't word my op well enough to suggest it's not a problem all gays face togeather, but rather just a problem a disproportional amount face. Either way, I believe you know what I ment, and you know what I say won't make a difference to the antigay folks anyway, no need to crucify me for nothing.
Are homosexuals screwed up? I expect it is the terrible way they have been picked on and persecuted by wicked pc liberals. Bound to be really, isn't it? God bless (right-wing) America and all who sail in her!
Spoken like a true loser. Anyone who considers others to be deserving of domination and bullying because of their real or perceived weakness has basically got nothing going for him. Bottom of the social heap? Your social heap maybe. Such as it is. It's not one that matters to me. LMAO
there are gay ppl that have serious mental issues, but that's the why you notice them. gay ppl the don't have mental problems you just pass on the street and never notice.
I take it back. Obviously I wasn't clear enough on the op that I was referring to a disproportion, not all gays as a class.
i really don't think that being gay and mental are directly related, the mental cases just stand out.
I wasn't talking about you. I'm talking about how gay culture as a whole defines perverted behavior as gay behavior. If a "straight" conservative congressman is looking for sex with strange men in an airport bathroom and is caught---the gay community laugh that a straight conservative man was forced out of the closet and discovered to be gay. See? One of "them". Where I would think that the guy should be diagnosed as a pervert or sick...at the least unhealthy. Risky sex is simply part of the gay culture...the more San Fransico you go...the more its accepted or at least not faught against. But the Gay community would take offense to that judgement. Right?
Baloney - you can't go around spouting such generalizations and then pull out the "Oh, but I didn't mean you" card. We're not that stupid. Unless you're some sort of expert on "gay culture" and "gay behavior" it's past time for you to put a cork in it. Hint: Being a heterosexual does NOT qualify you as such an expert, despite you're misplaced sense of superiority to gay people. We laugh at the hypocrisy of people who are publicly anti-gay and then get caught doing the kinds of things with which they've been so eager to stereotype us. Nothing to do with rejoicing that the person is gay. We'd rather not claim them as one of us at all, quite frankly. Emphasis on the word judgment, and yes - that is offensive. I don't engage in risky sex. Does that exclude me from "gay culture"? Never amusing when straight people presume they have the knowledge to lecture gay people on what being gay is, what we think, or what constitutes "gay culture".
I think because they have so much more difficulty finding romantic partners. It is statistical, if someone is gay they only have 1 percent of the rest of the population to choose from. Any man that has extreme trouble finding a girlfriend is going to be more screwed up than other men.
I think his point was that it applys to heterosexual men as well, of a heterosexual has a hard time finding a girlfriend. I consider that to be part of the broader problems of bullying and lack of support networks. If the gay person doesn't have a gay oriented organization to join, or if they are not out and are afraid to join it, that makes it difficult to build a support network and find romantic partners. Similarly, if you are attracted to some guy but you are not sure if he's gay, what do you do? Do you ask him? Will he punch you o humiliate you for asking? Will he "out" you to your school for being a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)? Not only are our options few and far between, but we may be afraid to look for them due to the harsh reaction some straight men may give in some attempt to prove their own masculinity or whatever.
You are just so concerned about being the focus. As you told me...put a cork in it. Stop being so self-focused. I'm sorry you have to deal wtih it. But risky sex is commonplace amongst heavily gay and lesbian communities. A certain percentage destroy themselves and the rest celebrate it.
I'm not going to stop pointing out the fact that you're trying to tar all gay people (myself included) by making generalizations like this. I don't believe that you are. I believe that your purpose in saying so is to make yourself look better. It's not working. You're welcome to believe whatever stupid (*)(*)(*)(*) you like, but it doesn't make you an expert on gay people. All you're accomplishing here is making yourself look like a bigot. By all means, carry on. The more you talk, the more obvious it will become to anyone who doesn't harbor the same prejudices.
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