Why are guns holy objects in this country?

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  1. Vegas giants

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    You also can not run a meth lab in your basement. If we catch you then you go to jail. Same applies to these laws
     
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    Oh it’s easy to enforce and there are plenty willing to do so. It’s just a matter of time.
     
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    I believe under Mass law that shotgun would be considered under your control.

    Mass Law:

     
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    You don't have locks?
     
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    What does that even mean ¯\_(º¸º)_/¯
     
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    I guess I can see your point, but the reality is that sure we can pass such a law but would it really have any effect on anything? The answer is no....

    The act of accidentally killing your own kid has way more of an effect on your responsibility than any law ever would. People with children in their homes secure their firearms because they don't want to have their children accidentally grab one and possibly shoot themselves. It's not because some law says they HAVE to....

    There is no law that says you HAVE TO child proof your home either but almost everybody puts those little plastic things in the light sockets because they don't want their kids sticking their fingers in the light socket...

    I could be wrong, but I highly doubt that people put their kids in car seats to protect them in the event of a car accident do so solely because the law says they have to. I think they do it because it's their kids and they don't want them to die...

    But like I said no matter what there will always be that one dumbass who does something stupid and no law would actually stop them from doing that.
     
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    You didn't address his question?
     
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    Is it? How so?

    I have a bunch of firearms in my home and I can leave them scattered around the house if I so desire. How exactly are you going to know what I'm doing that unless you actively come into my home?
     
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    I wasn't trying to.
     
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    Well we aren't talking about under my control, we are talking about proposed mandatory securing of firearms as in locked up in safes or something as was proposed by others on the forum.

    My question was how exactly could we enforce such a proposition if it were written into law? We could magically snap our fingers and pass a law stating that all firearms must be reasonably secured and I could keep my shotgun sitting next to my bed and there is nothing anybody could do about it because nobody would know.

    Laws only work if we can actually enforce them. When it comes to regulating what one does in their own home enforcing any sort of law becomes nearly impossible. You really do just have to trust in the good will of people to do the responsible thing.
     
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    The idea "good guys" who work for the government and criminals who will always be armed against unarmed citizens doesn't sound like a good idea to me. I like keeping an equalizer on my person should it get out of hand. It is also a deterrent as well as my right!
     
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    You answered it. There are those who have no problem spot checking homes for compliance. It’s just one more violation of a right they don’t think you should have. Can’t remember the details, but remember the kid that was overheard discussing mass shooting security concerns with a classmate? LE showed up at the home and attempted to remove the family’s firearms.

    It’s why this stuff needs to be nipped in the bud. If it is allowed at all it always evolves into something more hideous than we were promised.

    Locking up or cable locking my firearms would negate one of the main reasons for having them. I don’t have time to dink around with that. If I need a firearm, and I do regularly, I need it fast. I don’t have kids so it’s easier I suppose.

    However, I grew up in a household like mine today. Guns were to use. Since school age I knew where my dad’s rifle was. It was out of sight but not secured in any way. By age 13 or so it was my responsibility to shoot what needed shot if my dad wasn’t home.

    I understand cultural differences and different lifestyles but this fear of guns is bizarre. Good parenting, teaching children to respect life, and teaching responsibility with firearms and general behavior would go a long ways solving this issue. The problem is these solutions are as much of a third rail to progressives as the 2A is to conservatives.
     
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    The law I cited does address securing of firearms and allows for the situation you brought up. That shotgun would be considered legal because it's under your control and therefore not subject to the law.

    As for enforcing it? There are a lot of laws that are difficult to enforce until the police have a warrant to search your house, or person. Are you suggesting we drop all those laws? Further, I don't about you but I'm not a scofflaw. If it's illegal to have a weapon out that isn't on your person or under your control, then you don't have it out. That isn't too difficult is it?
     
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    For what it’s worth, I’m a strong supporter of the 2A. I own firearms, have a shooting range in my back yard, and I shoot often. I have my concealed carry permit as does my eldest son.
    Just yesterday I was out hunting with my second oldest (20 yr old) son.
    I also have 5 younger (adopted) children between the ages of 4 and 11. I start teaching them about firearms safety when they are about 9. My 11 year old loves shooting with me and is proficient with handguns up to and including a .44 magnum, rifles up to a .308, and an AR15.
    All that being said, I don’t feel that the NICS background check is sufficient in this day and age. 20 years ago I would consider such words as blasphemy, but unfortunately times have changed.
    To the NICS you’re nothing more than a name, SS#, and a fingerprint. They are looking for felony arrests, domestic violence, drugs, etc.
    They know nothing about YOU.
    I think that coupled with the NICS check there should also be a local background check. Because local authorities know YOU better then NICS does. For example...
    Old Joe is 24 years old and has been living in town all his life with his mom. Old Joe is a pretty good guy but he’s not exactly the quickest one out of the gate, if you know what I mean.
    When it rains out, old Joe likes to ride his bike in his underwear wearing his Spider-Man mask. And on sunny days old Joe likes to spend his weekend washing and waxing his moms driveway. When he gets a few bucks in his pocket he likes to go down to the bar for a few beers. But a few beers can bring out the dark side of old joe, and he’s gotten into a few brawls from time to time.
    But none of these things would show up on a NICS check. But local authorities that actually know old Joe, might have an opportunity to intervene.
     
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    It seldom gets mentioned in the news unless it is an 84 year old granny
     
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    On the day of the bar shooting, one person out of 330,000,000 people mis-used one of 325,000,000 guns for a mass shooting..
    On that same day 329,999,999 people didn't mass shoot anyone, and 324,999,999 guns did not kill anyone in a mass shooting.
    It is simple, freedoms are not free, and the cost of freedom is often in the millions of dead people. What I find idiotic is we kill 1/2 a million babies and worry about 30 people killed by a madman. The math seems to be way off. I guess we should not have an army or police because some get shot..
     
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    Stopping online sales of firearms, or making it not as easy to walk out with guns out of a gun show. is not making it so you can't have a gun on your body.
     
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    Nothing about my OP talked about taking away guns.
     
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    Online sales :) How you gonna get it shipped slick? You can't even buy a barrel, hammer, slide without it being shipped to FFL holder! For the rest of your post, I haven't a clue :wierdface:
     
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    More like an out-of-context translation.

    It's too easy for people to fake through the process online, so common sense would say firearms, or any gun of that matter, should not be sold online. Broadening the background check to go deeper into ones mental and emotional states prior to ownership is not infringing on your rights.
     
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    You actually believe you can purchase a firearm ONLINE from a reputable company like Sportsman warehouse or say Cabela's and have it actually come to your home, that's funny man :) Clearly you haven't a clue how buying a gun works :)
     
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    Well, it could be done with an executive order, which then it would be federal law and online retailers would have to comply by suspending online services. This move wouldn't do anything to infringe on your rights, it just makes it that you have to go in person to buy a barrel,, hammer or slide in person instead of from your living room.
     
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    No, I don't believe its as easy as buying something off eBay.
     
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    Your not making any sense! You cannot have gun parts sent to your home unless you have a current FFL. You MUST have it sent to the nearest FFL agent and pick up your parts IN PERSON.
     
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    Then what is the purpose of all your posts? I mean, bro, everything you are concerned with is already on the books and monitored just as you want ¯\_(º¸º)_/¯
     

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